Romania : Detecting Forgeries.

Why not try scanning your Prince Cuza issue 20 parales
You may have a genuine very first stamp of Romania !

Thank you for the information will make work of it tomorrow since my scanner isn't ready at the moment.

1906

"Queen of Romania Spinning." Charity Stamps
Forged in Belgium apparently.

Forgeries what to look for:
1. The face, immediately recognisable different.
2. Forgeries perf 11.25
3. No Hyphen between Romania and Posta
4. bottom right scroll differs.
5. bottom Tang of "E" in Bine points DOWNWARDS

Face: green is forgery

Thanks Rod for uploading Genuine-Forgery pics. Invaluable.

I need to bookmark this thread, so when I put Romania into the WW classical collection, I will have a primer.

I turned a negative into a positive,
my collection is so full of forgeries,
I decided to expose them

I am in receipt of the genuine Prince Cuza 2 Parales orange imperf.
(I think)

Detectable differences:

The Jaw line is drawn to the ear on the genuine
On the forgery the area is void.

1. Dot under S of Posta
2. Webbed Filagree is more concentrated on the genuine
on the forgery the diamonds are bigger



The LHS "2" currency number
1. the base of the 2 ends in a vertical cut off
the forgery is curved.




GENUINE


GENUINE


FORGERY

Prince Carol Forgeries

SG0072 (1868) T0006 03b prince carol [0m1] mauve [forged pmk] File327.jpg

A soon as you see a pmk like this...FORGERY




SG0076 (1869) T0008 15b prince carol [0m1] [no beard] [forgery]red File326.jpg

What to look for?
1. No dot over I is a forgery
2. no bulges in top currency frame = forgery
FORGERY


GENUINE


FORGERY

Addressing the 1918 "rope" overprint.

Now this is a bit of a guess, because I am working from an assumed genuine.
Lets begin with a crude forgery,

Left to right, things to investigate.

1. This should be pointed not rounded
2. I find this gap is crucial, forgeries seem to be slightly wider gap
3. Genuine has a gap here, SOME forgeries do not, and joined.

FORGERY


CLOSE BUT I THINK FORGERY


AGAIN CLOSE-FORGERY


ASSUMED GENUINE

Here is my 50bani mailcoach which is genuine thanks to Rod's erudition. It also has a perfin - BdR - which may add something to the discussion?


The next one is not in my Scott catalogue and a quick google says it is a newspaper stamp; but is it genuine?

Banque de Roumanie
a very useful link:
http://www.romaniastamps.com/perfin/perfins.htm

Nice scans Conker!
Go easy with the plaudits,
I am just a student like everyone else

Help from Romaniastamps.com and Wadmalatz help enormously.

Your second is a newspaper wrapper mutilated stationery
IIRC no identified forgeries of it.
I'll download your scan and compare it to my example.

Your first has a very intriguing Postmark
I'll be keeping that for study
I have never seen a postmark like your CDS with the central
date etc blacked out.
nice one!

Identical! so we both have genuines or forgeries :)
Looks Kosher to me.
Perhaps for future ref, locate this "dot under D"

Assumption:

Wadmalatz' advice re speculation bogus issues
refer to these examples.

Catalogul Marcilor Postale Romanesti `74:- note after POSTA SIGHET (november of 1944)
` FORGERY. 1945. Hungarian stamps with black SZATMAR-SATU MARE overprint and new value (16 different) are a fraudulent (sic!) emission made by speculants and sold in Bucharest`

Note : If not made in 1945, it looks to me like the overprint
is dot matrix, or inkjet type font.

This is just a wild guess,
but this is a crude forgery of the 2nd Moldavia

It is so bad, I am awarding the forger 0 points.

Starting a new reply as previous attempt would not post images correctly.
Apologies for incorrect image posting - possible naming error so I'm editing to try again.
I have been studying the Forgeries section of www.romaniastamps.com site - thanks Wadmalatz - but am still undecided about these three 1866 Prince Carols in my collection



Any opinions as to genuineness?

about the Satu-Mare overprints, here`s a blog, you have to scroll down, somewhere in the middle of page an article about `outrageous` USED forgeries offered at an auction site in Romania:
http://colectii.toateblogurile.ro/2010/04/
Rod, these are not similar to those (bilingual and new value)- and I think these were definitely made after 1945 (guess after 2000 :))