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Scott Unlisted Worldwide Early Airmail Issues

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Posted 10/16/2012   12:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add barhata to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
My collecting passion is early worldwide airmail issues. I find that there were a lot of early airmail issues that Scott originally did not recognize. Over the years, Scott has begun to recognize many of these issues. However, many mysterious and beautiful airmail issues are still out there. Many are found in other catalogs, such as Michel, Yvert, Facit and Sanabria. The thrill of the search for information is part of the stamp collecting hobby that I really enjoy.

Listed in Sanabria as S1 to S6. This semi-offical set from Algeria was issued for use on May 15, 1930. It was issued to commemorate the centenary of Algeria's annexation by the French. Designed by M. Fauschet, printed on tinted paper in sheets of 10 x 10 and perforated 11. The inscription at the top is ALGER - TUNIS. There was another similar set printed with the top inscription TUNIS - ALGER. That set was printed, but never released for issue.

Does anyone have information about other early worldwide airmail issues that are unlisted by Scott?


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Posted 10/16/2012   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your post, and welcome to SCF!

I've been primarily a collector of Japan, but I've been toying with the idea of starting a collection of early worldwide airmails, just because I like the designs so much. (My favorite is the first airmail set from Greece.)

I hadn't even thought about the fact that there are issues that would be unlisted by Scott, but, now that you mention it, it makes sense (not available through post offices, etc.).

So I'm afraid I have no information to offer, but will be avidly paying attention to this thread and the ensuing discussion.

Thanks for sharing, and, again,

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Posted 10/16/2012   2:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum


This is one of the main reasons I like to buy foreign catalogues whenever I can so that I can go beyond the realm of the Scotts catalogues. I find that these foreign catalogues list many that Scott does not.Foreign catalogues will usually list varieties that Scott does not, even if they are listed in their catalogues.

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Posted 10/16/2012   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Sanbria!
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Posted 10/16/2012   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you don't yet have a Sanabria, beg borrow or steal one.

Here is my example of this set:

https://goscf.com/t/6878

I posted it a few years ago, and looking back at it, I'm not proud of the scanning.

There are quite a few threads of early airmails that didn't make Scott's cut. Here are a couple more:

Newfoundland 'Wayzata' issue https://goscf.com/t/12079

1912 Germany https://goscf.com/t/11841

Varig https://goscf.com/t/9740

[edit: I should point out that the Varigs and other Brazilian semi-officials were added to Scott after the date of that post, and apparently the German earlies are going to be appearing in the 2013 Classic.]
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Posted 10/16/2012   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What edition of the Sanabria catalog would you recommend?

From what I can determine online, it looks like the 1966 edition is the last complete edition, at 1350 pages. (And expensive!)

Then there's a partially updated edition in 1972 that was looseleaf and 900+ pages, but only got through the A-M counties.

Then it looks like some philatelic editors picked up the rights to update it with a 1993 edition (and more affordable and more easily found), but it's 120 pages.

Does anyone know if the 1993 edition has at least the same info and photos of the earlier edition(s), and that's it's because of reformatting that it's less than 10% of the number of pages of the 1966 edition, or is it severely abridged?

Thanks!

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Posted 10/16/2012   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barhata to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So Sorry, Dave....

I believe the 1993 "Sanabria" contains only North America, and the 1972 edition covered only 'A' through Mexico or Monaco. I have all of the Sanabria 1966 and the 1972 listings of material up through 1950. I'd be glad to share any information with fellow enthusiasts. Just shoot me an email with your need to knows.

Thanks also to Cjd for pointing me to the other postings. I'm always looking for more info. Hey, who knows, if we collect all this info, maybe we can put together an updated worldwide Sanabria ourselves with color scans & everything

You guys are the best!

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Posted 10/16/2012   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
here's another from Sanabria that isn't listed in SCOTT.



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Posted 10/16/2012   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatarium to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Terry --

Thanks for your reply. I'll hold off on picking up the Sanabria for now, especially since this collecting interest is just a glimmer in my mind's eye right now, and will instead to continue to enjoy your and others' postings about airmail stamps not listed in Scott.

And, for what it's worth, I'm not aware of any Japan or Manchukuo airmail stamps not listed in Scott. I have the specialized catalogs for these areas, and there are no surprises there (at least as far as I recall in my increasingly fading memory!).

Keep up the good work!

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Posted 10/16/2012   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barhata to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Dave....

But isn't it a shame that Scott does not itemize the 21 provisional Manchuko airmail overprints that were issued in 1947 by the re-occupying Chinese Post Office Officials after the liberation from the Japanese?



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Sorry, Terry, I totally blanked on the Manchurian Local Overprints (MLOs). There is a more specialized set of reference texts on MLOs that addresses all the relevant stamps (Kerr), and I'm sure cover the airs as well. (I'm still rediscovering my references (and stamps) after a move.) It is a very thorny area.

Here's a great website on Manchukuo stamps, and his work on the MLOs:

http://www.manchukuostamps.com/Manc...erprints.htm


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Posted 10/17/2012   01:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few more:

Colombia https://goscf.com/t/8527

Puerto Rico https://goscf.com/t/13892

I'll scare up a few more when I have a few minutes.
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Listed in Sanabria as S1 to S6. This semi-offical set from Algeria was issued for use on May 15, 1930.


These are labels issued by "Société pour le développement de l'aviation commerciale" not the french postal authority to pay a tax on shipment from Alger to Tunis. It was almost like a promotionnal issue to publicize the new air route. Writing semi-official to me it means that they were never valid for postage and that is why they are not listed in Scott.


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Posted 10/17/2012   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barhata to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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For me, the line between "valid for postage" is a little unclear at most. There are dozens of situations where governments have contracted the mail service until such time as they could provide regular service of their own:

SCADTA under contract from the Columbian government.

Numerous aviation companies in Canada were authorized by the Ministry of Postal Services to transport mail.

Polish Ministry of Post & Telegraph contracted with Aero-Targ for delivery of mail between Pozanan and Warsaw.

Both Condor and Varig were contracted by the government of Brazil.

In most instances, these companies issued stamps to show that charges were collected for their fees in addition to the charges levied by the contracting governments... Thus the term "Semi-Official"

And, we have all noted that Scott is starting to recognize the validity of many of these issues as they begin to include more and more in their catalogs. It is true that many propaganda "labels" which have no franking value have been seen attached to postal covers. But, for me, these "Semi-Official" issues have a real place in the postal history of airmail.
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Just read again that post on a french stamp collecting site about this issue. They were used only on this flight from Alger to Tunis on May 15 1930 for the centenary of french establishment in Algeria. The plane was from the Aéro-club of Alger. There was 3 500 envelopes carried and when they arrived at the Tunis post office the director refused them but was contact by Alger to assure him it was regular mail. These labels were printed just for that flight to cover the extra cost of airmail . They sure look great in a airmail collection.


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But, for me, these "Semi-Official" issues have a real place in the postal history of airmail.


Agree with you and it's great to know the story around them.
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Oh--- That is exciting information That is more detail than I had. Could you send me the link to that web site? You have made my day.



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Terry
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