Canada Admiral Imperf Proofs

So, recently stumbled upon this piece of paper, and I'm not quite sure what to call it? Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

These are reversed imperf litho proofs. Nice!!

Thank you so much. They do look nice, unfortunately someone has used them for target practice.

Potentially valuable despite the damage. More info from you regarding dimensions would be great. I suggest you change the topic to "Canada Admiral imperf proofs help" as that might bring in the Admiral collectors with their vast knowledge.

Done, thanks again. These are unknown to me because I do not collect Canadian stamps (yet), and the person who owns them is out of range at the moment. So I need to ask the man to measure them, and it will take some time before he gets back to me.
And there are more where these came from, so if anyone's interested I can ask for scans.

Thanks.

Wow I do collect canada and have not seen these before. I'd be happy to have even a damaged pair . At first I thought printed both sides - Then I thought reversed plate but the above explanation makes far more sense than me looking upside down and backwards. If it was a reverse neagative the green would be white and vice versa so the plate had to be done regularly but artwork reversed . Makes sense in my head as a past printer!

Well, I'm keeping an eye on them and see what they sell for. The rest of the stock is said to be in better condition and I'll get to see them in person next week.

There is an ebay auction that includes these items...



They call it a "Scott 108 Essay."

-stamporator-

These are purported to be essays of the 1915 3¢ King George V Admiral stamp, but are printed in reverse, are actually slightly larger than the originals, and are seen in black (a), red (b), green (c), blue (d), and various other shades of red. They were prepared in 1929 or 1930 by a Dr. Eckerlin of the German firm Herbst & Illig, and presented to the American Bank Note Company in New York, to demonstrate the German firm's new process of rotary intaglio printing claimed to be on par with steel engraving, but much cheaper. The "essays"� were reversed and enlarged to avoid any implication that they could be considered counterfeits, and are not true essays of the KGV Admiral stamps. They appeared on the market about 1951.
Ref.: Field Guide to the Cinderella Stamps of Canada (used with permission).

Awesome, thank you. I'll try to get the rest of the scans, if I understood correctly, there should be one "stamp" with partial impression in this lot.

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And these are the rest of them:

Some more information regarding these...

"Canada 1928 KG5 3c Admiral design slightly enlarged and reversed in green on thin card, imperf Printing trial essay for the Victory-Kidder machine (ex ABNCo archives)"

At nearly 100 pounds (UK) per stamp "essay", I'd say you have a nice lot there

While on the subject of "Admirals", here is something I'd like to add to the mix from the stuff I have...


Large size with an old Admiral for comparison.

Smudges are on the mount and not the paper. Might be a color trial?

I have always liked these items, especially since their true value to the story of stamp printing was revealed.

I attach two scans, the first mentioning in the margin in pencil "Victory Kidden Machine" and the second being a single with "SAMPLE #3" in ink in margin.

Note that press manufacturer Victory-KiddeN appears to be mis-spelt in the pencil annotation; it should be Victory-KiddeR.

As of today, Google has 10,400 results for "Victory-KiddeR", and 83 results for the mis-spelt version of the company name.

GLENN MORGAN

For those interested in further reading on the subject of these reversed KGV 3c Admirals, there are a number of freely available articles in philatelic journals that I have found:
from Maple Leaves (http://www.canadianpsgb.org.uk/mapl...archive.html)
Volume 5, No 2; January 1954, whole number 30, page 41.
Volume 5, No 3; April 1954, whole number 31, page 93-94.
Volume 21, No 3; August 1988, whole number 219, page 67-68.
Volume 27, No 8; October 2002, whole number 286, page 323-333.
Volume 28, No 1; January 2003, whole number 287, page 31-32.
Volume 28, No 4; October 2003, whole number 290, page 172-173.
Volume 28, No 5; January 2004, whole number 291, page 205-207.

from BNA Topics (http://bnatopics.org/):
Number 85, Page 306.
Number 103, page 174.
Number 312, page 121.
Number 395, page 41.


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What a great way to advertise how good a printing press is than to compare it to fine detail engraving. I remember in my printing days whe the shop was interested in a new swedish heidelburg press, The company allowed 1 employee to fly to sweden for 6-8 weeks to learn everything right from the manufacturer. Unfortunatly that wasn't me.
I was shocked at the value of these but would love to stumble across them.

Did this have anything to do with the gradual switch over from wet to dry printing that occurred with the Admiral stamps starting after December 26, 1922? Also, around that time the company name in Canada changed from the American Bank Note Company (ABNC), Ottawa, Ontario, Canada to the Canadian Bank Note Company (CBNC), Ottawa. Ontario, Canada while both were subsidiaries of the American Bank Note Company (ABNC), New York, NY., U.S.A. Dry printing required greater pressure on the printing plates which resulted in an embossing impression on the gum side of the pre-gummed (dry) paper and the dry stamp's image is slightly larger horizontally or vertically than the wet one.