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Help With Indian States? -Unknown Stamps

 
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Posted 03/06/2013   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Sudz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Any ideas as to what country these stamps are from, if indeed they are legit? I am unable to identify them. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 03/06/2013   12:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No clue on the first but the 2nd looks like India states. We have an in house expert on these and if you edit your title to "help with Indian states", it should attract his attention.
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Posted 03/06/2013   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sudz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Done, thank you.
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Posted 03/06/2013   1:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The second one must be from Nizams Dominions (Hyderabad).
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Posted 03/06/2013   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bamra1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the second one, which is upside down, is from Jammu/Kashmir.
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Posted 03/06/2013   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the first is a cinderella, it seems to say "four pence" at the bottom.
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Posted 03/06/2013   2:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sudz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first one does say "four pence". I hate to ask this and show how much I don't know, but what do you mean by cinderella?
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Posted 03/06/2013   3:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sudz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nevermind, I just looked it up. You learn something new everyday. Thanks for all of your help.
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Posted 03/06/2013   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The second is indeed an Indian States stamp: a ˝ Anna first issued in 1879, and reissued between 1890 and 1894. It was the basic letter rate, so there are a fair few of them around - maybe woeth a dollar, without the stains.

These stamps were only valid within Jammu & Kashmir State. Here is one



on a local cover.
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Posted 03/06/2013   5:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mindpsyche to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is that Urdu on the letter tony? I can speak it but never really learned to read it. I'm not sure if there are other dialects that use urdu / persian / arabic script. I know that back then the languages spoken in Kashmir could have been either Urdu, Kashmiri, Persian (Farsi) or Pashtun.

The irony is that an urdu speaker is asking a non urdu speaker if the script is Urdu...lol

The only reason I ask is because I am pretty sure you must have done some research on this cover?
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Posted 03/06/2013   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mindpsyche, that's a particularly curly question. The short and simple answer is, Yes - it is Urdu.

The longer answer is that, back in those days, and up in Kashmir, there was no formalised 'Urdu', with proper sets of grammatical rules and spelling etc. Individuals would throw in odd words from local dialects, Persian, Afghan or anything else that came to mind. I only read Urdu (or Indo-Persian) with great difficulty, and I have a couple of dozen similar covers to work through - when I finally get around to it. You can see this cover is dated 1300 AH, equivalent to about 1882 CE, but you find covers written in Indo-Persian, but dated in Hindu VS years and even CE years.

A hundred years ago, throughout most of North India, a knowledge of Indo-Persian, or straight Persian, was the mark of an educated gentleman, rather as a knowledge of Latin and Greek was expected of the equivalent in Western Europe. You find early covers from Jaipur, for example, addressed in Indo-Persian:



and Jaipur was certainly an overwhelmingly Hindu state, with Hindu rulers. (But even so, if you aspired to a job in the Jaipur State public service in those days, you had to have serviceable Persian.) Neighbouring Alwar State was the same:



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Posted 03/06/2013   6:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mindpsyche to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that information Tony, you could probably teach modern history in India better than most history teachers.
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