Help Identifying Stamps On Crossover Covers (Canada & Newf)

As some of you know, I only collect Newfoundland stamps and covers. Over time though, a few strays end up in my albums, and mostly those that "crossover" and have a Canadian stamp with a Newfoundland one; or a Canadian stamp from a Newfoundland RPO or Postal cancel.

I have these 7 covers, and would greatly appreciate any and all information from the Canadian experts out there on the stamps (for my records).

The first one is a really sweaty and traveled cover, and I have included the back as well (because the note is cool and all the RPOs).

Here is what I know about them

1. Posted in 1950, this has airmail and rail cancels (8 in all) with one Newfoundland stamp (#184) from Gander to Moncton to NB...registered too, with 4 unknown to me Canadian stamps. The RPO cancel from Ludlow is N13-Ry18, RF=215*

2. This one was posted in 1966 with RPO type 17c cancel with the Arg & PAB TPO Route B cancel (N4a-Ry6a), RF of 305

3. A Gander cancel on April 27, 1949 with unknown to me Canadian stamp.

4. An RPO cover with 3 Canadian stamps. cancel type 17C, RPO is N5 - Ry8, Rarity factor of 310 (ARG&NSYD TPO Route A). Not sure what "Baccalieu" written in UL refers to? Should I erase it?

5. Another RPO with Canadian stamps from 1950. Cancel type 17C, N-13-Ry18 cancel of "CLAR & Bon Train 11" which Ludlow has as N13 and NSSC as Ry18. RF = 215

6. Another RPO with yet another Canadian stamps, Same RPO details as #5 above.

7. This one has a Newfie #255 with unknown to me Canadian stamp. RPO in 1950 with N13-Ry18, with cancel type 17H, and a RF = 215*

Enjoy, have fun--and help me learn

Tommy any of the Newfoundland stamps or provinces with cents are valid for postage in Canada one of the agreements newfoundland had when it joined Canada. Its called double franking I still use mint Newfoundland stamps on mail to this day, I often will send stamps to a collector and stick a Newfie for fun, I believe Canada is one of the few country's that allows you too use a dead country stamps on postage

Yes, I've understood that dead country aspect since I began collecting the zombie stamps from Newfoundland.

I'm looking for help on the Canadian scott Numbers etc for the stamps above...

Thanks in advance

Your covers from top to bottom in order.
Very hard to tell if they are coils or pane stamps.
Can not be booklet pane stamps unless perforated on three sides only.
Assumed 4 sided perforated pane stamps unless indicated otherwise.

1 4 cent - 254 King George VI War Issue

2 N/A

3 5 cent - 405 Queen Elizabeth II - Cameo Issue (if perforated 4 sides)
or
409 Queen Elizabeth II - Cameo Issue - Coil (if not perforated vertically)

4 10 cent - 269 Peace Issue - Great Bear Lake, North West Territories

5 2 cent - 285 King George VI - with Post/Postage
1 cent - 284 King George VI - with Post/Postage

6 2 cent - 250 King George VI - War Issue
1 cent - 249 King George VI - War Issue

7 4 cent - 292 King George VI - without Post/Postage

8 4 cent - Newfoundland 269 - Princess Elizabeth's "Birthday"
3 cent - 252 King George VI - War Issue

Many thanks BlackJag...I've also learned from you because I wasnt aware of coil/pane difference.
What a pain...

You are welcome Tommy.

That's why this is such a great forum.

I've learned a great deal from submissions such as your's, the different topics presented and the comments and explanations by our forum members.

I had a Forest Gump moment seeing one of the covers. I sailed on the Baccalieu.

Hello BlackJag,

Some follow on questions, if its not too bothersome. I checked the perfs on them and I wonder if this changes your answers.

They are all perforated on all 4 sides, except:

cover #3. The 5 cent is perforated on three sides, but not on the left. Is this a booklet? If so, what is CV?

cover #6: The 1 cents are same as above: no perf on bottom for one; no perf on top of other. So perforated on 3 sides. The 2 cent stamps is perforated on right and left (so 2 sides) but not on top or bottom.

Thank you

Envelope #3 - 5 cent - Queen Elizabeth II - Cameo Issue (perforated 3 sides) could be one of the following four possibilities:

SC 405as - from the booklet pane of 5 stamps and 1 tab (UL) if the straight edge is anywhere but the top of the stamp ($0.25 for used fine on plain paper).
or
SC405ai - from the booklet pane of 5 stamps and 1 tab (UL) the straight edge is anywhere but the top of the stamp. ($4.00 if if the paper is low fluorescent).
or
SC 405bs - from the miniature pane of 20 stamps and the straight edge could be on any of the 4 edges. ($0.60 for used fine untagged paper or $2.00 if tagged paper).
or
SC 405qs - from the miniature pane of 20 stamps twith Winnipeg 2 Bar tagging and the straight edge could be on any of the 4 edges. ($2.00 for used fine if tagged).

The values shown above are for used "fine" single stamps.

A value is not shown for "on cover" 405a or 405ai. or 405bs.

405qs "on cover" is valued at $10.00, but only 8 pairs and 1 block of four are known.

Envelope #6 King George VI - War Issue - Cover with two 1 cent stamps and one 2 cent stamp.

1 cent - SC 249as perforated 3 sides. No bottom perforation.
1 cent - SC 249as perforated 3 sides. No top perforation.
Both 1 cent stamps have the same catalogue number and are valued at $0.30 whether they're from:
- booklet pane SC249a (booklet of 4 stamps with 2 tabs),
or
- booklet pane SC249b (booklet of 6 stamps with no tabs).

2 cent - SC 250 perforated 2 sides (right and left)
- in the coil version, this stamp is perforated only on the right and left sides and valued at
$1.00 for a used single in "fine" condition. Perforation 8.0 This your stamp.
- in the pane version, this stanmp is perforated on all 4 sides.
- in booklet pane 250a (2 tabs and 4 stamps) stamps had one straight edge on either the top or
bottom OR had 2 straight edges (on the top and right side OR on the bottom and right side).
- in booklet pane 250b (6 stamps and no tabs) stamps had one straight edge on either the top or
bottom OR had 2 straight edges (on the top and right side OR on the bottom and right side).

There are no catalogue values for pane stamps.

The 2 cent coil stamp, by itself, is catalogued as $8.00

My deep appreciation and awe for your knowledge.

Very granular I know, but what I was curious about--so thanks

Canada is an amazing country.

I bought some stamps in Serbia a couple of years ago, and today, only one or two years later, they are not valid any more for any way of the postal or any other usage. Not only the value (because of the inflation), stamps itself are not valid anyhow and cannot be used any way.

Now, when I see that in Canada are valid stamps of the country which doesn't exist for a 100 years... I can only say that Canada is an amazing country, really.

Filipo,

Of course I agree that Canada is an amazing country.

Just on the fact though: Newfoundland ceased being an official country not 100 years ago, but in 1949. Still a long time, but not quite 100 years.
Also, I am not positive, but it had a huge connection, as a province, and I believe that part of its incorporation or joining into Canada (along with Prince Edward Island, and New Brunswick etc) probably included a requirement of past stamps being used still.

I have some Newfoundland covers with usage as late as the 1960s, but at this time, its not worth it to use the old stamps, because they are worth more as mint stamps. There is another thread on this somewhere on this board.