How To Tell If It's Rose Or Deep Rose???

Pagoda - thank you so much for that information! May I ask where you got that information from? It sounds like I need to look into whatever resource you have!

I used to collect GB Line Engraved & Surface Printed issues.

Gibbons and other catalogues have the habit of listing the various colours & Plate numbers without mentioning that the ink used by the printers was darker in the late 1870's. The same goes for the 1864 1d. which the earlier plate #'s are Rose red whilst the very late Plate #'s are Lake Red.

Pagoda

wait a minute----------Scott catalog lists a deep rose with a plate 5 ,for those who need a # ,it is 49a.

Here are two scans taken off E-BAY today------as you can see the scanning colors are not accurate to really say what a deep rose color is ------

If you follow the discussion above ,then the plate 5 is not a deep rose but the plate 8 is ?????.

I think it's crazy that even the color gauges don't have a deep rose - OY!

My SG Concise lists Dp Rose from 12/7/67 and Rose with no date. It shows Pl 5 from 1868.

I think there is an inherent risk in trying to determine shades on single stamps, you need comparison.

The carmine colour quoted for Australian postage dues issues is a very different colour from the carmine stated in the New Zealand postage due issues.

Also bear in mind a 150 year old scrap of paper that, at some point, has been immersed in water. I start all my shade determinations from mint stamps (with gum) or stamps on piece.

It is true that for some issues, the change in color shades can be matched with certain time periods and plates. But...



I thought SG also listed both rose and deep rose for plate 5. I'm not good with colors, so I checked my SG GB Specialised Volume 1 to see if it might have broken down the color by dates or plates. I only skimmed through it, but thought I read that plate 5 existed in both rose and deep rose. So I did not post when this thread first appeared. But based on Pagoda's post, perhaps I glanced at it too quickly or was simply mistaken.

I'll check the book again when I go home.

But I do remember SG stating that though they only listed the two colors, in reality there are numerous shades between. So unless you happen to have clear/extreme examples, I would think it would sometimes be hard to pick either rose or deep rose (since it can be something in between). I imagine it's even tougher with used stamps.

Yes, Gibbons do list a Rose and Deep rose for plate 5.
However, with no Deep Rose on the Gibbons colour key and having made a number of colour comparisons, I am as certain as Bacon comes from a pig that the stamp is Rose.

As I said in my earlier post, 'I'll pick a Rose for my Rose'.

And I am sticking to that no matter what.

Rose.

Londonbus1....

Whew! Who knew it would be so hard to determine the color?

Londonbus - Lol @ the smug smile!

Mmm bacon.

Bacon comes from pigs!?!?

And I thought it was concoction made from white and rose-colored cooking grease!

Mmm, grease...

Gibbons list both of the shades for every plate but that is not correct.

Forget scans and those that have multiple clean examples, just place a selection from each plate in order from Plate 4 to Plate 10 and it can easily be seen how the color changed as the years progressed.

Pagoda

Great thread.



My cheeks have gone all Rosy !

Londonbus1...must be the sunshine !

Stanley Gibbons Rose and others.