How To Tell If It's Rose Or Deep Rose???

Are you claiming both Scott catalog and S.G. catalog are wrong .Plus any scans are wrong .-----Then how do you prove your point ---------We do understand that there are various shade differences in each plate number due to soaking in water and other factors. I'll stick with the catalogs on this.

I'm not taking a position. I'm just laying out what the Five Reigns catalogue says:

Plate 2 deep carmine rose, bright carmine rose, pale carmine rose

Plate 3 Rose (Aug. 1862)

Plate 4 Rose (March 1865) (also with a rose watermark...good premium for used stamps)

From 1867-1880, the listings seem to lump together Plates 4-10 in deep rose or rose, with deep rose imperfs in Plates 6 and 8. Deep rose is listed as from July 12, 1867.

In the 1867 listings, they list pricing for deep rose, no pricing for rose, and then at the end of the listings, they have a text section listing each plate from 4 through 10 with mint and used pricing, but no reference to colors. Someone with more familiarity with the Five Reigns catalogue will have to weigh in as to whether that means anything.

The one thing I can say definitively is that they say that imperfs of Plates 6 and 8 must be deep rose.

Floortrader,

you can believe what you want. If you believe that all Plates were printed in Rose & Deep Rose that is up to you.

What the catalogues have done is to give a pricing for any Plate which is a Rose or Deep Rose but haven't mentioned that both shades exist for each plate.

Have a look at what you have and you should see how the printing of the Rose darkened as the Plates progressed.

Pagoda

Only in the stamp world will you see a group of men (or so I assume) arguing over shades of pink - I love it!!

Have a look at the 1864 1d. Plates, Plate 71-225.

Gibbons list them as two shades,

Rose Red & Lake Red.

The Rose Red in various hues are from Plate 71 but the Lake Red wasn't intoduced until about Plate 180 or 190.

It is a waste of time trying to find each colour for each plate,

Pagoda

Great discussion and great thread....thanks Lindsey !

I understand all the arguments and agree it's a complicated one, but the bottom line is we are trying to determine the colour of a stamp of a member.

And it's Rose.

Londonbus1....

Londonbus,

what it proves is that some collectors are slaves to catalogues and don't realise that catalogues are not always correct,

Pagoda

Pagoda -----save the name calling ,it doesn't work here . ..........nobody is a slave to any catalog .....we now have explanations posted here by three people of what three separate catalogs say on the matter, Im sure each collector or reader can filter thru all the comments and decide what they want to accept ,without being called a "slave" .

where does it state in any catalogue that all shades exist on each and every plate. It doesn't, which they don't.

Pagoda