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Canada Number 92 Shades

 
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Posted 10/18/2013   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stray Feathers to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all -

I have been looking for a used copy of the "straw" shade of the Edward VII 7 cent stamp, Unitrade number 92iii. I bought a stamp recently thinking it might be one and would like to know what you think. There is no colour called "straw" in the Gibbons colour key (so why would anyone identify a stamp colour as "straw"? . . .) In the attached scan are several shades beside the two closest pages from the Gibbons key. The stamp in question is second from left. I realize trying to represent colours accurately from my scanner to my computer through the net to your computer to your monitor is problematic, but if anyone has the Gibbons key you might be able to get a sense, or perhaps adjust the colour of my attachment to match your key. The stamp is close in colour to the chip called "buff" but very slightly greener, though far and away the brownest of my two dozen or so copies. The stamp was not expensive so if it is not "straw" it's no big loss. If it is, I did well.

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Posted 10/19/2013   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I work with shades in the small queens and admirals as well as some others. It is an in-exact science.

The names for the colours themselves have been generated by a varied number of experts over the years, and many times it is almost impossible to relate one shade to another. The colour "straw" is one of those. The Gibbons colour chart is only one of several, though certainly one of the best recognized.

Even some well-established sellers sometimes will not agree on a shade.

The best advice I can give is to look for any seller that specializes in this field and buy one copy as a sample copy, or if possible bring them yours for an opinion (most will offer it freely).

Research any books that deal with this particular stamp series.
The fact the it is a used stamp can also be problematic as one can not be sure what kind of soaking, light exposure, etc it has gone through, especially since you only have one - more samples is better. Mint is best for shades, but I realize can be quite expensive. I only deal with used myself for cost reasons.

The stamp in question certainly seems to have a distinct shade, so you could be correct.

Hope that helps.
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Edited by 3Dadeo - 10/19/2013 09:51 am
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Posted 10/19/2013   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 'Scott Specialized Color Guides for U.S. Stamps' is on Amazon and possibly ebay and possibly Linn's magazine. This would have colours hopefully corisponding to those stated in the Scott or Unitrade catalogues?


Linn's Refresher Course
Color presents challenge for stamp collectors
http://www.linns.com/howto/refreshe...rcourse.aspx

There is available (not sure where) a Canada colour guide for the older stamps, Pence issue, etc, but I am not sure if it covers the KEVII stamps.

A Wonder color guide is available, keyed to US stamps.
See a Stamp Community thread with a great discussion on colour guides here (and an example in color):
https://goscf.com/t/13874

On a Stamp Community thread about KGV Indigo Blue colours
https://goscf.com/t/11682&whichpage=3
this is stated by member Bffranton:
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I would also like to continue idea that words... hue, tint and shade
may not be clearly understood due to our "language" differences.
Given the HUE - 3 primary colors are pure (red, blue and yellow)
and the secondary colors (green, orange and purple)are precisely
defined mixtures of those,
the tertiary range is fairly prescibed formula as well.
So where do we get befuddled? In the saturations...
Shade involves an addition of black pigments,
and tints involve an addition of white pigments.
To further compound the issue, as earlier posts indicate,
not all shades of sapphire are the same due to variants in the earth's core chemistry
so just as all blue is not the same, neither would all lake (lac) be the same deep red.
Nor are all Blacks equally black, or Whites, white.
The differences may also be compounded by where in the world we live,
the time of year, and the "bending" of the natural light available to us in our locations.
Some areas of the world see a more yellow natural light spectrum, while others are more decidedly blue.
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Posted 10/20/2013   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 3Dadeo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great link on the problem of colour identification Puzzler.

As I have tried to tackle this problem myself, the two key elements that have helped are:

1/ a full-spectrum "daylight" bulb

2/ Morris' Color Guides (using actual chips of paint colour) - he covers Small Queens and the Admirals
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Posted 10/20/2013   12:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stray Feathers to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We're getting off on a tangent, but a good one, so I have started a new thread.
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Posted 10/21/2013   01:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stray Feathers to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did a search in ebay stamps, Canada, for "92iii", the catalogue number for the Edward VII 7 cent "straw" shade:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...78&_from=R40

(you probably have to copy the whole link and paste it in your browser)

Amazing the difference in colour of these stamps, all supposedly "straw."
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