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The Stamp Hinge Experiment

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Posted 06/05/2015   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wt1 made an interesting observation recently in a related thread. That being that many of the Fold-O-Hinges being sold are of later manufacturer than the date on their package. He noted that the package date is 1955, but the address of the company on the package includes a zip code which would imply a manufacture date of 1963 or later.

It is my opinion that the contemporary hinge manufacturer(s) are not trying to improve their product. Probably no money in it, and, of course, no competition, so why bother. We stamp collecting shepple will just buy what is available.

Don
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Posted 06/05/2015   11:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, it would cost money to research and test new hinges, plus any potential changes to the manufacturing process and supply chain would be considerations as well. I can't imagine there's a lot of money in stamp hinges, so I'm sure the current maker of hinges doesn't see a strong business case for spending money on developing new hinges. Let's say they sell a million packages of hinges a year. I don't know how accurate that is - my guess is that it's probably high. That's only about $3M at retail prices; wholesale prices are sure to be significantly less. Long story short, my outside-looking-in theory is that it's doubtful that the manufacturer sees an annual profit from hinges that's much more than mid-5 figures, if even that. In other words, not enough to warrant R&D into making a better hinge. For better or worse, we're probably stuck with the current hinges on the market.
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Posted 06/06/2015   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DonSellos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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For better or worse, we're probably stuck with the current hinges on the market.


Vacuum Man, who began this thread, has a great start on creating a more peelable hinge. Let's hope he continues his research to a production and marketing stage.

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Posted 06/08/2015   12:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vacuum man to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Don for the encouragement.

Yes right now I am in the process of testing & tweaking what I have done so far. For me it has been an on and off again project.

Recently I have been testing the formula on live stamps in a Canada album I have been putting together. No expensive stamps. All used(no mint). Which brings to mind I haven't tested my mixture with mint stamps.

I am still using the same materials I started with. Which means I haven't had to change mixtures up to suit a new ingredient source. That for now is a future concern.

I have also been sort of searching for a source of glassine paper for testing my present mixture. From what I have seen, as in regular paper, there are lots of different types. I know that some glassine does degrade over time so some sort of archival quality would be necessary.

Right now for me it is just to see if it is possible to come up with a formula and a process to produce a peelable hinge. I am getting closer to that but it is only on a small scale at my kitchen table. To take it up to a production and marketing scale it would need a whole world of answers to questions I have not thought of yet. But if I use The ArtfulHingers figures it might be worthwhile to look into eventually producing these commercially.

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Posted 06/08/2015   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would appear that most of the stamp hinges sold under different brand names these days comes from one manufacturer in Germany PRINZ Verlag that makes and custom packages these hinges. If they were approached by many collectors complaining about hinge peelability then hopefully they could listen and make some changes to their stamp hinges.
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Posted 06/08/2015   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MikeA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, a recent returnee to collecting after a hiatus of 40+ years - what is the benefit of hinges vs. mounts? I know mounts have been around at least 40 years ago and apparently have stood the test of time (or perhaps not?)

From what little I know (a little knowledge...) the glue used on hinges of old was a type of hide-glue, derived from horses. Apparently the FDA has banned its used due to the potential for prion transmitted diseases, most notably BSE (aka 'Mad Cow Disease'). Being somewhat of a skeptic, I do wonder if there has ever been an infection that has been traced back to stamp hinges, (or any of the multitude of uses for hide glue, including fine violins!)

I would very much like to hear the pluses/minuses of hinges vs. mounts before I continue too far in my new-found hobby.

All the best,
Mike
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Posted 06/08/2015   3:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add southpaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Mike - I know you can still buy hide glue. I've heard the hide glue explanation many many times also, but it always seemed like a myth to me. It's usually framed as "environmentalists or PETA's fault which raises a big red flag with me. Stuff of your crazy uncle email chain letter sort. Does anybody have any definitive report?
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Posted 06/08/2015   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Forget the hinges and mounts. Consider stock pages.
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Posted 06/08/2015   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MikeA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Southpaw,

Thanks for the welcome!

I am not surprised that has been 'around the barn' a few times, and cannot remember where I heard it but know it was related to its purported use on hinges.

Seems to make sense (in a contrary way) that something that has worked well for decades should come under governmental scrutiny for its potential to spread disease, what is often categorized as 'an abundance of caution' or as I categorize it 'an absence of common sense.'

Of course I am still looking for the explanation as to which is better - hinges or mounts.

All the best,
Mike
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Posted 06/08/2015   3:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MikeA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello RedwoodRandy,

Interesting thought but not one many, myself included, are likely to follow.

Having the series in a nice layout with some information printed on the pages adds to the look IMHO.

As they say, 'different strokes....'

All the best,
Mike
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Posted 06/08/2015   4:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I use Dennison hinges for the less expensive stamps in my old "Big Blue". Otherwise I would never use a hinge. The more pricey stamps are in a split back mount. This is probably a mistake and top loaded mounts may be the way to go. The split backs can bend the perfs going in and over time may make an indention/mark across the center of the stamp. I have Palo album pages with top loaders and they are excellent but I sometimes find a little slippage but easily adjusted. As for mounts standing the test of time I ask you to check out the "Salm Foundation". The horrors of the old and some new mounts is too big to get into right now. Stock pages have their advantages and several on this forum are fans and will chime in. The changes and knowledge of the use of hinges,mounts paper etc. have been vast. For my Beer stamps I use black backed approval cards with a slip cover. For some countries and topics albums are just too confining and do not allow collecting outside the box. I have been collecting for 56 years.
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Posted 06/08/2015   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hunt for the perfect hinge.https://goscf.com/t/6576#52030
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Posted 06/08/2015   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For my India collection I use stock pages. Scott is woefully inadequate and the Stanley Gibbons pages are either too lacking in scope or way too extensive to ever complete. They have two versions. Scott like and Gibbons like. I see on other threads you are talking about U.S. stamps. That is one specific discussion in itself as U.S. stamps and their albums are well seasoned in this country.
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Posted 06/08/2015   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pros for hinges: inexpensive, very easy to use, one size fits all (i.e. no need to buy 10 differnt kinds of hinges for various size of stamps), stamps aren't "behind glass" which can enhance their appearance (in some peoples' opinion).

Cons for hinges: can potentially damage stamps when being removed, they leave a mark on the gum of mint stamps, stamps are not as protected as when they are in a mount. Modern hinges are not very peelable - they often leave a remnant.

Pros for mounts: Nothing adheres to the stamp itself so the gum stays intact and there is no danger of a thin spot from removing a hinge. The stamps are better protected from falling off the page or getting damaged from a stray hand or careless page turning, etc. Black-backround mounts can enhance the appearance of a stamp.

Cons for mounts: Much more expensive than hinges on a per-stamp basis, multiple sizes need to be kept on hand, stamps can still be damaged when inserting or removing them from the mounts, split-back type mounts can leave a mark on the gum where the mount is split (open-top mounts don't have this issue). They are generally much more time consuming to use than hinges.

There are other pros and cons of both, but those are probably the major ones.

For most (though not all) collectors, the reason they use hinges over mounts boils down to the cost of the mounts, and to a lesser extent the hassles of cutting them and trying to keep all the right sizes on hand. Modern hinges generally sell for about $3 for a package of 1000, whereas mounts are generally 5-10 cents per mount (roughly) for regular stamps, on up to a couple dollars apiece or more for the souvenir sheet sized ones.

In general, hinges are fine for used stamps, but mounts are preferred for mint stamps, particularly ones that are never hinged. As others have said, stock pages and stockbooks are a good alternative as well.
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Posted 06/08/2015   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MikeA to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Redwoodrandy,

Thanks for the input and suggestions. Certainly the 4+ decades of experience with mounts is not what one would accept as proof of archival storage, but being closer to the end of my string than the beginning, I'll be happy with 20 years.

I also agree that for some stamps (less valuable) almost any method is satisfactory, and using stock books would surely fill that requirement very effectively.

All the best,
Mike
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