Gad, those are gorgeous. I'm going to come to your house and rob you. Where do you live?
The bottom one is design A-16 in the Scott catalog and does look like Scott No. 17. The top one could be one of five stamps. Scott #63, 63c, 85A, 86, 92, or 102. Unless you've uncovered a miracle, and with your luck you might have, I don't think it is 85A. There are only two known to exist. The key to this stamp is whether or not it has a grill, which grill, what paper type it is, and what it is perforated.
There is no grill on it but that is the most I have been able to find. I do have another that has a grill but don't know if it is the same stamp type or not. Getting ready to post some more =)
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