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Posted 09/15/2014   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add littleriverphil to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone tell me why this transcontinental cover was stamped Collect? If it was mailed before the rate change from 10 cents to 3 cents, then it would be due 7 cents. Who payed the extra 6 cents, and why do both stamps have different cancels? It looks like the top left stamp was applied in New York and canceled because the small New York CDS ties it to the cover, the torn stamp is also tied on Something else odd, the stamp on the lower left had been torn and then applied to the cover and canceled. It doesn't look like the cover was overweight.





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Posted 09/15/2014   8:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You might want to post this on Richard Frajola's board. Lot of guys there who could probably give you an answer.
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Posted 09/15/2014   9:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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You might want to post this on Richard Frajola's board. Lot of guys there who could probably give you an answer. :)


Funny that you should mention Richard, about an hour ago I remembered asking about this cover on his board, before the current format. Back before my heart attack. I recall now that he told me that it was a paste up, a cover front pasted to a cover back, and sure enough when I put the cover under the 200 power Wolfe microscope, I can see where and how it was done, things my ole eyes couldn't see in the 600 dpi scan my scanner is capable of. Must have been heavy.
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Posted 09/15/2014   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would still be interesting to see what some of those guys have to say about the rate and the Collect marking. Richard has help me out on a couple of things too. He's a good man--very helpful.
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Posted 09/16/2014   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe I just seem these on another board today and commented on how collectible these are! Very nice stuff!
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Posted 09/17/2014   02:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While I lived in the area, the ghost town of Kibesillah was very hard to pin point, there is a Kibesillah Road but on other indication, until 2004 when Kibesillah hit the local news big time. A quiet little faming community. The postmaster was using a lovely shade of purple when he/she struck this double oval county postmark.Sure wish Col Whipple would have done his cipherin on some other piece of paper.



This is the event that made finding Kibesillah much easier. I have been sport diving in the same area, doing what these men were doing.

http://www.celebrationsca.com/infos...6-18feet.htm
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Posted 09/17/2014   07:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some biographical details on Colonel S(tephen) G(irard) Whipple here:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/f...id=113391751
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Posted 09/18/2014   03:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Where do you keep finding all this interesting back story informtion, wt1? Can you find out anything on C.H Randall Esq? When I first got this cover I searched the internet and got a hit, an awards banquet presented C.H.Randall a fancy cane for his years as a U.S. Marshall. About when this cover was mailed, one of the principals of the Mendocino Lumber Company absconded with all the company's funds. This is the earlist cover I know of from town of Mendocino. The stamp was replaced by another design in 1861, John H. Williams book California Town Postmarks lists a very similar cds, same size used at a later date, but only seen struck in black, this cancel is blue on the stamp.



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Posted 09/18/2014   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is this what you're looking for?


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JUDGE CHARLES H. RANDALL (1824-1891)

Judge Randall, now the editor of the Union Democrat and a resident of Sonora during some thirty years, and, withal, one of the most widely-known and honored of all those who have owned Tuolumne as their home, has kindly put the publisher of this book in possession of a few plain facts relating to his life, of which of the following are subjoined:

The Judge was born in Providence, Rhode Island, June 7, 1824. Went from there to New York City in 1844, from New York City to Tennessee in 1846, coming to California around Cape Horn, landing in San Francisco September 9, 1849. In that year he mined at Weber Creek, a tributary of the American River. In 1850 he went to Central America, spent the winter in Nicaragua, returned to California in 1851, and came to Chili Camp, Tuolumne County in that spring. Followed mining in the county until the fall of 1853.

In October 1853, he entered the Sheriff's Office under Major P. L. Solomon, continuing with him during the term, or until the spring of 1856. Solomon was appointed United States Marshal in 1857 and Mr. Randall was Deputy in his office until the fall of 1858, when he returned to Sonora and entered the mercantile business with the late James Lane, doing business under the firm name of Lane & Randall until 1862. In 1861 he was elected Supervisor and served six years. In 1867 he was elected County Judge, serving from June 1, 1868 to January 1, 1872. In 1869 he bought the Union-Democrat, conducting it until August 1875, when he sold it and moved to San Francisco. In two years he came back and bought into the Democrat again, where he now is.

In politics he was originally a Whig. After the Presidential election of 1852 he was identified with no political party until 1856, since which time he has supported the Democratic party. Most of the time since 1856 he has been an active partisan and has taken much interest in the welfare of the county. The Judge was one of the mass in early times and saw many of the exciting scenes of those days. He says, "I hope to always live in the county, for it is my home and all other places are strange to me compared with it."

It may not be out of place to say that he has been an active Odd Fellow since 1846, was Grand Master of the State of California in 1878-79 and has represented the Grand Encampment of California in the Sovereign Grand Lodge, I.O.O.F. for five sessions.
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Posted 09/18/2014   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, thats exactly what I was looking for. That comfirms the web page I read on awarding C.H. the cane for his servive. Also tells me when he was a deputy in 1858, about the same time as Henry Miggs slipped out of San Francisco. Almost doomed Mendocino City!
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Posted 09/22/2014   02:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting conversation(s) thank you for the informative read you guys!
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Posted 10/05/2014   06:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add I_Love_Stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well I cant tell you personally but you might find this PDF file useful -
http://d2jf3tgwe889fp.cloudfront.ne...okmarked.pdf

Wells Fargo the Western Mails:
http://www.uspcs.org/the-western-mails/


If not maybe one of these will help you out?

http://www.uspcs.org/resource-cente...nic-library/

OR look here:

http://www.uspcs.org/?s=Wells+Fargo

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