A Question Of Color. German Ultra?

I know that we cannot be definitive about colors in posted pictures. I've tried matching this stamp with some known ultra colored stamps from this same era. I still cannot make a definite decision. It maybe I'm still just holding out hope lol...
Anyway, should this stamp be under consideration as Bavaria Scott #11a?

Ultramine color is usually a deep to dark to midnight blue. This stamp in the picture does not appear to be ultramarine.

I pulled this Bayern #2 that was mounted in the same old album. Should have done this shot to begin with, sorry. Probably doesn't change your thoughts on this. And the problem I have is the #2 is blue from 1849 and the #11 is from 1862. Not resonable for me to expect them to look identical.
The Ultra is a deeper darker blue?

If you do a web search for Ultramarine stamp you get quite a variety of colors.

Yes, it's driving me batty. I know that my search is colored (pun intended) by my hope of finding this to be ultra. But I am getting mixed messages from my search of the internet and doing comparisons with other stamps.
That's why I love bringing things here. Members have no bias and more experience. Gives me better perspective.

Can you post a close-up of the bottom-left value block on the 3 Kr? This will help me ID the specific shade for comparison.

Hi StampCrow, do you use a colour chart? It gives a pretty good indication where your stamp will be, but may not be exactly 100%. I'm not familiar with the German States, but my experience from early British Colonial Africa issues says that there is a wide range within each colour. Age and climate do things to the original colours.

PostmasterGS, does this help?


Tim H, I'm not sure what you mean by colour chart. So I guess the answer would be no.
I only have an old Stanley Gibbons Stamp Colour Key. It's a bunch of small panels with colored squares. I don't find it useful.

3 Kr -- Scott 2 (blue), Michel 2 II Plate 4 (gray-blue to greenish-blue)
6 Kr -- Scott 11 (blue), Michel 10 a (dark gray ultramarine to dark cobalt)

Scott notes that the high-value ultramarine variety (Scott 11a) was never issued. Michel lists this stamp as a proof (Michel 10 P 2), but does give a used price. Looking at some more specialized sources, the prevailing opinion appears to be that this issue was not a proof, but its circulation was very small. Only two millwheel cancels are known on 11a/10 P 2 -- 325 and 721.

Thank you PostmasterGS. I think with all the info given here I can shut the door, with confidence, on this having any chance of being an 11a.
Thanks again everyone.

STAMPCROW don't give up on that stamp ,your shade is much lighter than my three copies ,even as a blue stamp it should command a premium price if it is a lighter printing and not something that was faded in sunlight .

floortrader, do you mean the 6kr?
I'll be in NYC next month. Planned on stopping by the Philitelic Foundation. Want to bring a couple of questionable items. Maybe I'll put this in the mix.

It is nothing like the color shown on Sandafayre's Rare Stamps,

https://www.sandafayre.com/rarestam...sstamps.html

Pagoda

Pagoda, wow, the difference is huge.

Stampcrow,

the problem is that what is considered to be the shade of the Bavaria 6kr. Ultramarine may be nothing like another item which has been classified as Ultramarine in the same catalogue. It may be better described as Pale Bright Greenish blue (or whatever)but that is the name that was given to it over 100 years ago and it has stuck. There is no use comparing it with other stamps classified as Ultramarine.


Pagoda

Pagoda,
my thinking was..., Scott gave it that color name and Scott gave the same color name to stamps of other countries. Using this, premise, I thought any "ultra" listed in scott would be similar.
That seems to be a flawed approach.