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Does Anyone Have A 2014 Hibernian Catalog?

 
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Posted 12/17/2014   4:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add danstamps54 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I've been working on my Irish bird series and came across two entries that are virtually identical in my 2009 Hibernian catalog. I'm either missing something (likely) or there is an error in the catalog. Could someone with a 2014 catalog take a look at the following entries to see what their descriptions are?

The description for Hibernian Catalog numbers D261 – D271 reads:

"Booklet stamps self-adhesive. Printed in Litho by SNP on chalk paper with phosphor frame. Perf 11 x 11 ½"

The description for catalog numbers D272 – D279 reads:

"Self-adhesive coil issues. Printed by SNP in lithography on chalk paper with phosphor frame, surplus rounding paper removed. Perf 11 x 11 ½ "

The obvious answer would be that the coils (D272 – D279) are imperforate on two opposing sides. These stamps are perforated on all four sides but are issued in a coil format. (Se-tenant pairs are given a separate number, e.g. D272a).

Here are two stamps that are unique in the series, 65c Song Thrush (D269 ) perf 11x 11 ½ and the 38c Goldcrest (D273) perf 11 x 11 ½ . The Song Thrush is listed as a booklet stamp, and the Goldcrest is listed as a coil issue. Both have the phosphor frame.




The scan is a little deceptive. Both stamps have the identical dimensions as well.

What the devil am I missing?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Dan
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I have a few of these stamps, and the Scott catalog is deficient (and confusing) regarding these issues. I need to obtain a Hibernian catalog.

It seems to me from the descriptions you provided from the Hibernian catalog, used booklet and coil stamps of the same design will be indistinguishable. Both varieties will be die cut on all 4 sides. Mint coil stamps will have surrounding paper ("surplus rounding paper") (unless somebody has stripped it, of course). My guess is the booklet stamps are adjacent to each other, so no surrounding paper is present.

Does that make sense?

Robert

Edit: After reviewing the pic you provided again, my guess about adjacent (i.e., setenant) booklet stamps is probably incorrect.

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a link with a lot of information on the whole bird series
http://www.birdtheme.org/country/ireland.html

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look at 2002.03 for the 38c goldcrest strip
look at 2004.04 for the 65c song thrush booklet
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Edited by kuhli - 12/17/2014 10:51 pm
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btw, the above link lists that ALL self-adhesives are the same dimensions (25x30mm), whether from strips or booklets. I am guessing that this means there is no distinguishing used pieces as being from one or the other.
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Trainwreck,


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the Scott catalog is deficient (and confusing) regarding these issues


That's why I resorted to collecting by the Hibernian catalog. Scott may have all the issues listed but it became too frustrating flipping around the catalog with all the "See X' or "like Y" references and then trying to tie that information to the Steiner pages I normally use.

The Hibernian catalog is pretty straightforward until it gets to the self-adhesive issues.

Thanks!
Dan
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Kuhli,

Thanks for the link!


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I am guessing that this means there is no distinguishing used pieces as being from one or the other.


I'm beginning to think that is the case. For issues with the same bird and the same denomination, I can't see how one can tell a used booklet stamp from a used coil stamp.

Dan
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