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Found This In With A Pile Of Zeppelin Stamps On Covers 1930-S

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Posted 02/06/2015   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow my auctions never fetch those high prices
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Posted 02/06/2015   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And you were asking only U$D 9.99 for a piece of the one true zep.

Piker!
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Posted 02/06/2015   6:33 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting question of how much original Kitty Hawk fabric is left on Kitty Hawk. Aren't we now on version 3?
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Posted 02/06/2015   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe I should have started at $999 with suggested bid $2500? Hopefully there will be a bidding war for it.
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Posted 02/06/2015   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
US$ 33,750 for Kitty Hawk fabric how could you be sure its original? Yes there is a cert but that could have been made up by anyone, it does not appear to be signed by an official expert.
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Posted 02/06/2015   11:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
... how could you be sure its original? Yes there is a cert but that could have been made up by anyone, it does not appear to be signed by an official expert ...


Not to defend the lot, the pricing, or Bonhams, but the lot description clearly identifies the signer of the certificate, as well as the provenance of the individual sample:


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FABRIC FROM THE KITTY HAWK FLYER, 1903.

1. Swatch of fabric, 1½ x 1¼ inches, mounted on a printed certificate signed by Lester D. Gardner, a publisher of aviation journals and a friend of Orville Wright. The certificate made out to Willian van Dusen, and framed. Spotting.

2. The pilot's log book of George W. van Dusen of Newtown, CT, beginning September 6, 1960, with his signature on several pages but also that of A. William van Dusen. With autographs on the rear endpapers of EDDIE RICKENBACKER, RALPH CONNINGTON, HENRY VICKERS, JIMMY DOOLITTLE, and others. Lightly rubbed.

Orville Wright reassembled the Kitty Hawk machine for its first public exhibition in 1916, at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Finding the original fabric could not be used, he substituted new fabric and kept some of the original fabric. On his death in 1948, Orville's executors discovered the fabric and asked Gardner, who had also been on the board of M.I.T., to distribute sections to aeronautical luminaries. William van Dusen was the first Publicity Director for Pan American Airways Corporation.


Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey
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Posted 02/06/2015   11:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add yakboomer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That zep fabric description is not accurate. The last proposed British airship was the R102 but she was cancelled before construction began. Now, the R101, had many problems with her outer fabric which was replaced and repaired on more that one occasion, and it may be possible that a workman got some of it, but when the airship crashed, it burned because it used hydrogen, so it is very doubtful that any fabric survived that crash. Here is a nice wikipedia article on the R101.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R101
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Posted 02/07/2015   12:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps its a piece of the damaged fabric taken off R101 taken away while it was being repaired. Unlikely from the crash site as yakboomer states it burned. If R102 was canceled before construction the fabric must be from R101 when it was being repaired. R103 seems even more unlikely. R101 seems more probable, perhaps whoever put the pencil note ill fated R103 made an error and should haveput R101.
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Posted 02/07/2015   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a stretch, no?
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Posted 02/07/2015   01:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes still a stretch but feel its a real zep fabric
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Posted 02/10/2015   3:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just sold at $82.98 well with no provenance that is a fair price yes?
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Posted 02/10/2015   4:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ikeyPikey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reminds me of a hot water heater 'energy saver' insulating blanket. ebay!

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Posted 02/10/2015   9:08 pm  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I collect vintage stamp publications. Somewhere in one of my bound volumes of Weekly Philatelic Gossip from the 1930's I recall seeing an ad of someone selling pieces of the fabric from the ill-fated airship 'Akron.' If I recall correctly the seller offered to enclose a letter to 'authenticate' the piece. The dealer may have been A. C. Rossler- that would have been something he'd do to make a buck.
Nothing new here- and after all these years its pedigree is impossible to prove. I'd perhaps display it on a page of my collection and not try to sell it.
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Posted 02/10/2015   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fair or not, it is done. That's about the best I can say.

'course, the buyer has six months to change his mind...
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