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Posted 05/31/2015   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
valjean,

I don't have a Scott's, what face value is the 84,

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Posted 05/31/2015   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
China Sc #84 $1 on 3˘
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Posted 05/31/2015   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pagoda to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks,

eventually, found out what stamp is being discussed.

There are many collectors in China who desire that stamp and condition does not matter, whether it is repaired or not would make very little difference to the value. It would most probably be worth around $ 500 to $750 in almost any condition.

If the OP poster wants to enhance the appearance it is up to him,

Pagoda

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Posted 05/31/2015   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fcistamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi all. We usually don't correspond with or get into long discussions on other web sites or forums as we just don't have the time to do so. However, as promised in a reply to an email request we received from Don East, we'd like to take the time to do so here.

It was with interest that I read the posts related to the topic of restoration. You may be able to find many of my comments on our web site and can read them there under FAQ's. We value everyone's opinion and no matter what I say here will undoubtedly not change anyone's mind, one way or another - nor am I about to try to do so.

Here are some points we'd like to make. They are not in any particular order and are not specific to any comments made by previously by others. But obviously you can apply them to the pervious thoughts as you deem appropriate:

1. We believe that having an item restored is very much a personal matter

2. Whether or not you believe an item's value is enhanced or diminished by having an item restored probably also falls within this thinking. Much depends on a collector's own preference.

3. Also, whether or not the value is enhanced or diminished probably depends not so much on whether or not an item was repaired but much more likely on the quality of the repair itself

4. Stamps or other philatelic material have been 'altered' if they are anything less than pristine, - albeit not for the better. Does the word 'ALTERED' only apply work being done to improve something back to its original condition or as we deem, 'a change from its original condition' - usually from good to bad.

5. We do our very best to reverse this process by repairing/restoring an item to its original condition as best as we possible can and know how to do

6. The quality of our work needs to be virtually the same for a stamp valued at $5, $500 or $5,000. No one in their right mind would send us any high value stamps if we did sub par work on their lower valued items

7. At the same time, one can do the math... how much time could anyone invest in making repairs to a low value items when the most we charge is 20% of catalogue - on a $20 stamp that equates to $4. We don't believe there are many other people out there that would spend a couple of hours on an item at $2/hr - WE DO!

8. Although this point may be argued by some, we have our ethics as well. There are certain procedures that we will NOT engage in. I.e. we not remove cancellation marks, we will not attempt to turn a stamp into a variety of stamp that it was not, when issued or as was the case once, remove black ink from supposed American bank notes from some Nigerian guy who suggested he had numerous bank notes of this type in his possession, - something that gives the term 'money laundering' a whole new meaning.

9. There seems to be fairly common thinking that it is very obvious that any restored/repaired thins can be spotted by even amateurs at a glance. Why then would anyone ask that these repairs be marked with (Indelible) ink in order to identify them as such. We will NOT mark any repairs. Should anyone wish to do so, feel free.

10. To my point above... If you drove a Ferrari and your fender was damaged, applying some parallel thinking, some may say it is better to drive around with it in that condition rather than having the fender replaced and the car repainted. Applying this kind of thinking suggests that once the fender was repaired it would no longer make this a Ferrari. I know which way I'd decide on that one.

11. The philatelic community at large seems to be the only one of all collectible communities that has an issue with repairs and restoration. Just as an example the Sistine Chapel in the Vatican was restored not just once but several times. As technology improved so did the quality of restoration, sometimes by having to redo previous attempts. However, had this not been done, over time, much of the quality of the original would no doubt have been lost, possibly forever.

12. We believe that wherever possible, restorations, should be done in a manner that is reversible. If you don't like it, put it in a water bath and wash it away. The worst that should happen is that you have a stamp in a condition it was in when sent to a restorer. At least this is the case when we do the work.

13. There are cases where certain gums were applied rather heavy, haven't aged well and have cracked. The cracked gum, which is obviously quite brittle can negatively affect the substrate, paper, by weakening its cellulose fibres and tearing them. In these cases, it may be a better option to remove the gum entirely or regum the stamp with new gum - that is if your intention is to preserve the stamp for long periods of time. Once it falls apart, even the highest value stamp has no value

14. On stamps that have thins but still have gum, it is not possible to repair the thin without removing the gum. It would be like trying to add a piece of ham to a sandwich without taking off the top slice of bread.

15. I'm hoping to have misunderstood any comments that suggests anyone may have an issue having their items returned or that they are not safe while in our care. We take all reasonable care that customers receive their items back. In the many years of working with our customers, we can only remember shipments being lost on two occasions. Once we had to launch an investigation through Canada Post, who tracked it to the last known location, which was the US Customs service but never retrieved. Canada Post then sent us a settlement of $47, which we forwarded to our customer. In addition, we gave him a major break on his follow-up repair order. The other problem, was a customer who lived in the UAE and his shipment wound up somewhere in Africa and it took Anne Marie weeks to track it down, have it returned to us and then forwarded to our customer. We have gone above and beyond.

16. Regarding security of your items, I suggest that we are much more exposed to issues then many of our customers. We have a web page, it displays our full names and address, c/w both home and cell telephone numbers and email address. If you get on Google you will see a real house made of bricks and mortar not some obscure P.O. box in a place you'll never find. People have reached us by email, called us on the phone and even visited in some cases.

17. Our customers are from all walks of life and are located throughout the world. They included a NASA engineer, a doctor from the Centre of Disease Control in Atlanta, doctors, lawyers, teachers, you name it... not to mention an Apollo astronaut who took a trip to the moon. Lately we received and order from a first time customer who talked to Anne Marie by phone who included a blank signed cheque with his order only to follow it up with a second order a few weeks later - also with a blank signed cheque.

18. If I may make a suggestion, given the fact that there is so much emphasis put of the condition of the back of stamps, I would recommend images of stamps are posted showing both the front and back of the item.

19. I believe that in this day and age, there are few people who do not own a scanner (or All-In-One printers). I doubt that I need to tell anyone here that if you scan your stamps at a resolution of 300 DPI or greater, there are few repairs or restorations that we, or anyone for that matter, could do that you couldn't see when displayed on a computer screen when the image is enlarged to 100%. I would however recommend you scan images as TIFF and not JPEG (JPG) files as the latter makes use of 'lossy' compression algorithms.

20. So, as I said above - this all is a personal choice and everyone is entitled to their opinion. All I can say that it is our full intent to please all our customers most of the time. I just don't know if is possible to please all of them all the time - but it is certainly not because we do not make the effort. We have always in the past done everything possible to resolve any issues to make things right if there was a concern and we have no intentions of changing that in the future.

Cheers,
Hans








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Posted 05/31/2015   5:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for sharing your viewpoint with us. I though that we should hear your views.
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Posted 05/31/2015   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fcistamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you allowing us the opportunity to join your forum. If anyone has any questions please feel free to ask, however we may not divulge our specific proprietary methods. Much of it is however openly available on our web site.

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Posted 05/31/2015   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hans,
Thank you.
Do you stop doing business with a customer if you find they are turning your work around and selling the material with the faults undisclosed?
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I don't believe the issue is if a wrecked Ferrari is repaired it is no longer a Ferrari, but instead that it's no longer 'original and unrestored'. People pay a lot more for a classic car if it's all original than if it's known to have been wrecked and repaired. The key words there are "it's known"...
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I'm hoping to have misunderstood any comments that suggests anyone may have an issue having their items returned or that they are not safe while in our care. We take all reasonable care that customers receive their items back.


Hans,,,That would have been me...Please, not that I would not trust you to return any items to customers, was just trying to get across that I live so close to you that any help to some one on this forum to help in any way was just my way of saying, I am there to help..I know you have ethics and do fantastic work..I apologize if it sounded negative.

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Posted 05/31/2015   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reconditioning stamps, repairing stamps, hiding stamp faults are all the same thing, forgeries. There is no escaping it with sugar coated words and feel good reasons to justify the work it is simply the work of forgeries.


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If it is nice to repair then the back of the stamp should have a nice big "R" on it.
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Don, (51studebaker) - I know this may sounds a bit harsh but as the saying goes "I'm not my brother's keeper". We cannot be responsible for what happens with items we repair or restore once they leave our possession. I'm certain that many of our American friends can relate to this when it comes to gun shops. Proprietors are not held responsible for any felonies committed with wares bought at their stores. Unfortunately, none of us will live forever so all of this material will, at one time or another, find its way back into circulation.

billsey, Regarding the Ferrari inference, I suspect anyone buying a Ferrari the has been damaged in some way, will at one time or anther have it restored or repaired.

There seem to be two popular trains of thought, one is that it is relatively easy to recognize repairs and restorations whereas the other is the concern about stamps being offered for sale without this work being disclosed. All I can say is that we will do the best work we know how in order to make it as difficult as possible that this work can be 'detected'. It is then that we know we've done a good job.

Robert, Thanks for your post - we were not at all offended in any way. I fact we appreciate you addressing this point for those who may have some misgivings and your vote of confidence. We take it as a compliment.

KGV Collector, as I said at the outset, I wasn't expecting to change anyone's mind on the subject - one way or the other. As John Heywood, a well known English writer, said back in 1546, "there are none so blind as those who will not see". If repairs and restorations are alterations and alterations are forgeries then I propose that any stamp that was 'altered' by having been torn or was otherwise damaged would then have to be deemed as a forgery as well.

Cheers
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Posted 06/01/2015   12:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Hans

All I am asking for is a big R on the back of your work.

You can choose the colour!
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Posted 06/01/2015   12:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valjean to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Crouse27,,,,thumb up! You express perfect,direct visual effect is very important to me,I also to most China stamp collector as well,I didn't say that retain faults or thins with original gum is not good,it really depend on what your own view an value on this matter, I say it's looks perfect for me to present it on Linder T-Blank page,and others say "no no no,you will de-value the stamp itself, you know nothing about stamps" you know what I mean,it really depend on ourself to balance..but I still struggle on it,,although nice fellows from FCI patiently clear all my concern,but I still have worry and struggle,as I said I really like the original gum.and don't know what will my stamp looks like after restoration..
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Posted 06/01/2015   01:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add valjean to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for discussion.especially Hans,,if I decide not sending that piece,I will still send the other 3,4 pieces for restoration or RG.
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Hans,
I certainly understand the position of "we are not our brother's keeper" but I am not so sure that there does not remain an underling ethical responsibility. Following that logic would be the same as saying a retailer isn't responsible for reselling stolen items or a landlord who does not care that illegal activities are occurring on his rented property. I assume that you guys care about the state of the hobby and are concerned about how your service is either benefiting or damaging philately. Perhaps you could develop an online database of all the repairs you have done (minus the customer's name of course); this would go a long way in establishing that your service is actually used for legitimate purposes. But to think that none of your customer's will use your service to deceive and make a buck at the expense of the hobby is fool hardy and/or apathetic.

I strongly support the 'right' for anyone to so what they want with their own property. I may not agree with the intelligence of it, but I support the 'right'. But I question the level of responsibility that you are taking for the long-term future of our hobby. You have developed a commercial service and market in which you MUST take a 'I am not my brother's keeper' position. Facing the truth means exactly as you stated, 'yes, our service will be, sooner or later, be used to deceive and hurt others'. This places it in a much different category then a auto repair shop fixing fenders.

I can understand not placing a big 'R" on your work and the customer's property. But there would be nothing stopping you from publically displaying a database of your work. In fact, knowing this 'upfront' might deter some of those customers with deceptive intent from even going down that path. Plus it would give philately a method to determine if a stamp had ever been repaired by yourself. A kind of 'car-fax' for stamps. From my chair this seems almost an ethical requirement for someone in your business. You would then be able to rest well at night knowing that you are helping the hobby that is feeding you and not turning a deaf ear on a very real problem.

If you are interested in developing a online database I would be willing to assist at no charge to you.
Don
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