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Mystery Of Liberia Inverted Centre

 
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Posted 07/04/2015   5:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Ringo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
An article in the latest GSM got me wondering about this inverted centre stamp...




My understanding is that inverts like these occur because the paper is fed through a printer twice, once for each colour. An upside down sheet results in an upside down centre print.

OK - but look at this stamp. The dark centre is way off to one side. Surely if the sheet was fed through a second time, the centre would appear on the opposite side of the stamp, not right in place in the white circle.



This is true, I think, even if the stamps are printed sideways on the sheets. Turn them around and what was near the bottom is now near the top.

So, my question is, how can this stamp exist accidentally? What happened during the print process?

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Posted 07/04/2015   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you rotate everything 90 degrees the shift is no longer there. Would they have been printed that way and not aligned to the obvious top and bottom of the stamp?
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Posted 07/04/2015   7:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another scenario: the stamps were purposely printed to look like inverts. By the Way, what is GSM? Please don't use acronyms that might be familiar to you but not to others. Remember, this is an international forum with people coming from many different philatelic cultures.
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Edited by Glenn Estus - 07/04/2015 7:05 pm
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Posted 07/04/2015   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GSM = Gibbons Stamp Monthly

Kind of like we used to use SSM for Scott Stamp Monthly.
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Posted 07/04/2015   9:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Glenn Estus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A good writer never uses an acronyms until she has used the full name first.
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Posted 07/04/2015   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why does that sound like a reprimand?
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Posted 07/04/2015   9:53 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
While Glenn might have come off a bit brusque, his comment is a good one. I too, had no idea what "GSM" meant.
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Posted 07/04/2015   9:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
A good writer never uses an acronyms until she has used the full name first.


Sorry.

Gibbons Stamp Monthly = GSM

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Of course, I'll be terribly embarrassed if it turns out Ringo meant something else by GSM.

Now if we can get back to commenting about the inverts...
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Edited by khj - 07/04/2015 9:59 pm
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Posted 07/04/2015   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And I didn't either. But the question was about the stamp and I didn't worry about the acronym used. It just seemed the comment was made and answered by someone else and the second comment seemed to be belaboring the point.
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Posted 07/05/2015   03:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ringo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi John, you said in your first reply, "If you rotate everything 90 degrees the shift is no longer there".

I had thought of that, but I reasoned it would still give rise to the same problem. With the stamp upright, as in the original scan, the empty white area is on the right. If you rotated everything clockwise, then that empty white space will be closer to the bottom as we look.

Suppose that's how the stamp is being printed - then the black centre motif will land at the bottom too, right in position. On the other hand, if the sheets were sideways the wrong way round, the empty space would be closer to the top - but the black print would still land at the bottom. So, I think there would still be the same shift expected.

I also think the idea that this was done deliberately is more convincing, although the stamp seems to be regarded as an error stamp, at least by the writer in GSM (yes, that's Gibbons Stamp Monthly, folks).

PS - will try to avoid TLAs in future. (Three Letter Abreviations)
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Posted 07/05/2015   06:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ringo, another option is that the cliché was inserted inverted in the master block. That could account for the apparent full alignment.
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Posted 07/05/2015   08:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You should contact The Liberian Philatelic Society with your question at http://www.liberiastamps.org/
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Edited by jogil - 07/05/2015 08:07 am
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Posted 07/05/2015   08:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Freibergs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is the error known only one per sheet? If that's the case Tim H is probably correct with his answer on the reversed cliche. Latvia managed to screw one of those up for it's best known error.
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Posted 07/05/2015   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin504 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These errors were produced for collectors.

Few years ago I purchased a large lot....thousands....
plenty different #s....Inverts, color shifts, incorrect colors,
missing colors....you name it....they produced it.

They are collectible....sell well.
Couple dollars each.....
They "look" impressive....
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