Help With 1d Red Plate Number Please

Can anyone help with the plate number for this SG8 dieII RA please



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Plates 24 and 25 have the characteristics your stamp shows. Try an internet search for a plate 24 or 25 penny red with the check letters RA and compare them with your stamp.

Your stamp is Die 1.

ok thanks alot mate

This is a known plate 24 with RA check letters. The A is differently placed in your stamp so we could discount yours as being plate 24. You may find a plate 25 RA illustration/scan/photo somewhere to confirm your stamp as being plate 25?


Below is the characteristics of plate 24/25 in regards to the "NE break" using your stamp on the left.

Looks like plate 25 to me, pls see attached a known example of RA plate 25

-Larry

Plate 25 confirmed by your illustration, Idhaber. Good work.

Although not in top condition I bought this one as I collect my local cancels. This is the 36 of Banff (the Scottish Banff not the Canadian ) It is Perf 14, Die 2 and Alphabet 3. Luckily it has a distinctive E check letter and using Stanley Gibbons Specialized I can trace it to plates ranging from 38 to 45.
If Idhaber (Larry) is looking on perhaps a plate ID is possible as only someone with the imprimatur book illustrations can confirm it.

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No easy, but I'd make it plate 43. So, if LC, Die II, Alph III, white paper & plate 43, that would make it a C10.

Not positive about the plating.

Nice looking 4 margin copy.

Have to agree it looks like a plate 43. Thanks for the quick ID... shows the value of the imprimatur illustrations.



Might now try to convince myself it could be a C9 as the paper looks creamy.

One more for the expertise of Idhaber (Larry) if possible.

This one I got recently as it is a great worn plate example so would be a S.G.9.





Tried to plate my stamp using S.G.Specialized and internet images of S.G.8 and check letters AE (there are around 120 plates). In the end I thought it quicker to search the online "missing imprimatur" database as stamps with the check letters AE were among the ones most frequently "removed from Imprimatur sheet". Luckily came across this strip of six "missing imprimatur" stamps from plate 60...



Putting them side by side, despite the not great quality of the image from the imprimatur database, I think I can say my stamp is a plate 60 even though the database stamp is before wear (a S.G.8 and mine is a worn stamp (S.G.9) example.



Any help via Larry gratefully accepted.

I make it plate 60. Pls see the example to which I am comparing :


What I keyed into was the incredibly weak eastern side and especially the total lack of a line coming through on the east side of the NE box and the very weak and broken line on the north side of the NE box.

The check letters look good to me, so I'd go with 60.

best,

Larry

Many thanks again form your efforts. With the amount of wear on plate 60 it is incredible that no re-cuts to frame or squares were ever done. With your confirmation I can include data such as being printed on or after June 1845.

Yes, according to my sources, no other states are known. And, yes, the plate was registered 25 June 1845, defaced on 15 May 1847.

Is there a plate guide you can buy to check what plate a Penny Red is from?

I have these 4 and on the back there's 21 penciled in. As the SG number I assume? If so as they are imperforate they'd be SG 21a
But I am not sure perhaps it's Plate 21?

Any help would be very gratefully received

Your stamps are S.G.8 plate 21 1d red-brown issued from 1841 to 1843 (registration to defacement dates).The exceptionally high check letter "H" is very distinctive of that plate.
The strip of 4 are also interesting in that they are examples of stamps removed from the imprimatur sheet i.e a sheet of stamps kept for reference purposes. Very often stamps were cut from this official reference sheet for various reasons. Your stamps are not the original imprimatur sheet stamps but are from the same plate 21.

You could get an old copy of Stanley Gibbons Queen Victoria Specialised for only a few pounds online. There are a few ebay CDs with plating guides but, be warned, they are not always good quality or even totally accurate. Other sources are CD plating guides from reputable UK dealers but will be certainly more expensive... but most likely accurate and of decent quality. Start with a Gibbons Specialised would be my advice if starting on plating the QV imperforates.