Ukraine 20.000 On 7k Russian Surcharged (1919?)

Any idea in which part of the catalog I can find this piece? Or that is a bogus issue? Thank you in advance :)

It's actually 10,000 on 7K. Look in Ukraine, 1917.

Thanks, 2 was a type error instead of 1.

So, this is it...

27) A14 / 10k on 7k light blue ??

"k" after 10 is abb. for the kilo (thousand) than? Or I have missed something?

Yes, K is the abbreviation for 1,000 or kilo.

The stamp is part of a set known as the General Wrangel issue. Here's a set of 15 from a Ukranian seller who describes them as cinderellas.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-1921...em4af06b86b8

Thank you!

Hi filipo,

These are fun issues but can be a little confusing.

As Jenny2U says this is known as a Wrangel issue, supposedly issued for use in refugee camps outside Russia (I believe mostly in Turkey and Greece) for soldiers from General Wrangel's army in South Russia after it was forced to evacuate the Crimea following defeats by the Red Army.

While the trident overprint was used to convert a Russian imperial stamp for use in Ukraine, with the added Wrangel surcharge it is no longer a Ukrainian issue and it is not Scott Ukraine #27 10k on 7k.

Ukraine Scott #27 is an Imperial Russian 10 kopek on 7 kopek surcharge overprinted with the Ukrainian trident (but no Wrangel surcharge). "k" in the Scott listing does not mean 1,000.

Instead, Scott lists this stamp as #325 under Russian Offices in the Turkish Empire.

Hi Nigelc!

Thank you for the help. Of course, I have heard for the General Wrangler issues a many times before, but I really cannot remember all that surcharges and overprints, especially when they in such a "crazy" colours (at least for me, because I am partially colour blind)... however, black "Ukrainian" sign is easy detectable, and the red surcharges are hard to read (for me)... so, that leaded me in the wrong direction.

However, when Jenny2U has mentioned Wrangler, I knew that I need to look under letter "W" in the Scott's index, and I have found this stamp listed there. So many issues... so many overprints... so many colours of the overprints... so many values... I will forget all of them very soon :)

Thanks again for the help and your extended observation on the issue!

Sc#321 1921

Rod on your copy --Stamp is from Odessa.Overprint of the trident is a little large to be a original, most likely a after the fact overprint .I would need to check it out to be sure .

Thank you floortrader,
I have no Odessa Opts.
I was looking at the trident, and the first time I notice, one wing is in front of the body, the other behind.
I will not be surprised if it is a counterfeit.

P. Clark Souers book, Forgeries of Common Stamps after World War I: Eastern Front, Balkans, Caucasus, Version 2 has a very nice and useful section on stamps of Ukraine. Lots of examples of genuine and fake trident overprints.

Odessa tridents come in different types.Odessa I (double lined)has that characteristic.
http://postww1stampforgeries.org/ukraine/

Great Link Perf12, Thank you.
Best overall brief history of Ukraine I have read.

I don't collect the trident issues but I find this old Gregory Pos catalogue to be a useful reference:

It's a small catalogue of 64 pages with listings and images for all the various types listed in SG, Michel etc. but also many other local issues that I've never seen elsewhere.

For the basic Odessa I type in Rod's image (i.e. without the Refugees' Post surcharge) it identifies five sub-types.