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Butter Fat Revenue Usage?

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Posted 12/29/2017   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revenuermd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looking back over the rest of this thread I think that John Becker is correct about the delivery outside the postal system.
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Posted 12/29/2017   2:42 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I vote for a postal use. I believe both of these butter reports fall under the private express provisions of the PL&R. Postage was required for letter/parcels carried outside of the mails.


Yours is formally addressed, whereas the envelope in question is not... or would "Galloway-West Co., Amherst, Wisconsin" be sufficient?

The dealers says he has 3 others, similarly stamped, also never sealed. That implies a precancel of some sort.

Also, if it is a postal use, then why the differing denominations? Wouldn't they all presumably be the same, if indeed paying postage to the home office?
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Posted 12/29/2017   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Placed privately in a mailbox by someone who knew where it needed to go, so formal address not really needed - done by the pick-up/delivery driver. 2 cent local rate, 3 cent non-local rate. Rated based on local/non-local from the home office to the farmer. Envelope contained the check to the farmer for his dairy products equivalent to the accounting on the outside of the cover.
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Edited by John Becker - 12/29/2017 2:51 pm
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Posted 12/29/2017   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So if these traveled outside the postal service, why would a stamp be needed at all? Did you have to pay the Post Office (buy a stamp) even when you did their work for them?
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Edited by GregAlex - 12/29/2017 3:06 pm
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Posted 12/29/2017   3:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dan,

Looks like a receipt for the state contribution to a promotional fund, at the rate of one cent per one hundred pounds of butter fat.

Which explains why the first one shown has a three cent stamp (more pounds) than the most recent, complete form shown (less pounds).

Jim

Source: Wisconsin Statues, 1941, page 1413.

https://books.google.com/books?id=2fhOAQAAIAAJ

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Posted 12/29/2017   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Government monopoly ..... from the 1940 Postal Laws and Regulations:





The sections runs on for several more pages, but the point is that postage is owed for privately-carried "mail".
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Posted 01/05/2018   6:06 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, 3 of these just finished on ebay today, two above $100, and the example I showed above with the collateral over $200. All sold to the same bidder with 10K+ feedback, and it isn't Eric.

I bid on one of them to have a full envelope to go with my partial, but wasn't even the underbidder.

Was anyone here the winner? I'd like to know what the winner believes these items are.
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Posted 01/05/2018   7:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Winner will almost certainly turn out to be a Prexie collector.
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Posted 01/05/2018   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How would money from the P.O. Dept get to become the state contribution to a promotional fund? They had nothing to do with one another, the P.O. would have no way of knowing and they would not give up the money anyway.
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Posted 01/05/2018   10:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Exactly! The answer is NOT a tax answer, but a postal rate answer.
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Posted 01/05/2018   11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Envelope contained the check to the farmer for his dairy products equivalent to the accounting on the outside of the cover.



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this one being the complete envelope, along with some collateral material contained within it. There is nothing printed or written on the back of the envelope, and the envelope has never been sealed.


You all really think that the Galloway-West Company, a milk processing company*, mailed back to farmer Fred Shamblin, patron number 241, his physical bacteria and sediment sample, along with his butter fat test results, along with his check for $95.70, in an unsealed envelope, which had to have been inside of a window envelope, with the postage for the envelope being applied to the envelope shown, on the inside of the window envelope, so that it could be seen through the window?

Really?

Jim

* website: http://www.gallowaycompany.com/
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Edited by James Drummond - 01/05/2018 11:20 pm
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Posted 01/05/2018   11:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the dairy pick-up/delivery man privately carried the envelope (Which I believe carried a now-absent check and the adding machine slip) back to the patrons each accounting period on a subsequent trip. Postage required even though privately carried. The driver knew the addresses, thus only a farmer name necessary. Why seal it? No need to. Please re-read all my posts if you don't understand private mail carriage regulations. It really is quite simple.

No idea what your comments about a window envelope are about??????
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Posted 01/05/2018   11:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why would a milk processing firm send back to the farmer a used bacteria sample?

That certainly seems like something that would remain internal to the firm, for quality control purposes, at the least.

I am only suggesting that these envelopes probably never left the firm, not that I have necessarily identified the true purpose and use of the postage stamp(s).

I am not therefore saying that you are incorrect in your conclusion.

I only have so many hours in the day to play with stamps...

Jim
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Posted 01/05/2018   11:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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No idea what your comments about a window envelope are about??????


I'm assuming that the addressee's name had to have been viewable along with the postage stamp.

Since the envelope with the postage stamp wasn't sealed, I'm assuming that it was inside of another container.

Otherwise all of that other stuff would have fallen out.

And poor ol' Fred would have been out nearly a hundred bucks.

Jim
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Posted 01/05/2018   11:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've beat my head against the wall all I can. Others will have to explain it to you.
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