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Posted 01/05/2018   11:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Placed privately in a mailbox by someone who knew where it needed to go, so formal address not really needed - done by the pick-up/delivery driver.


Are you able to show any other examples of what you are claiming?

Jim
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Posted 01/06/2018   12:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No. The examples speak for themselves. Study them. Study the regulations. Understand them. I really can't help you any more. You have wasted a lot of my time due to your inability to understand something very simple.

(Add: Beecher & Wawrukiewicz's "U.S. Domestic Postal Rates, 1872-1999", 2nd ed, illustrate and describes 3 such out-of-the-mails uses in their chaoter 1.)
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Posted 01/06/2018   12:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I really can't help you any more. You have wasted a lot of my time due to your inability to understand something very simple.


Ok, so sorry about that.

Based on a simple post, you conjectured one thing, and I conjectured another.

And you got mean about it for some reason, and I didn't.

Gotcha'

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I emailed Bob Hohertz this morning and asked him to read through this thread. Bob is the President of the American Revenue Association, and also a Prexie specialist. His comments follow (posted with permission):


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Count me in as saying these paid a postal purpose - take them across town and dump them in the company's mailbox, so the PO said you have to put postage on them. They can't pay a state tax - the state would never let the Feds have their tax money, which is exactly what happens if one pays the PO for a stamp. And so far as paying a Federal tax, remember when Kilmer tried to put postage stamps on his medicines in 1898, overpaying the tax? The Feds told him to take them off - tax money was going to the PO rather than the IRS.

Postage stamps have been used to attempt to pay taxes. You've seen the ones on stock certificates of a particular user (I have a couple of those) in the Prexie era. But it's a one-time attempt, not systematic over time.

I know that Len P. intends to use one of these in an exhibit on postage paid for carriage outside the mails.
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Posted 01/06/2018   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The U.S. domestic letter rate in 1943 was three cents.

Dan's second envelope example has a two cent postage stamp on it.

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Posted 01/06/2018   3:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First class local letter, rate is 2 cents.
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Posted 01/06/2018   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, if you say so.

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Your scans are from the 1948 PL&R volume. The local rate ended in 1944, which is why you do not find it in your reference.

There is an interesting facet to these dairy covers. Amherst, WI did not have carrier service according to the annual Postal Guides of the Prexie era (and thus applicability of the 2 cent local rate), BUT the delivery by the dairy driver created a de facto local carrier delivery service at the rate of 2 cents for in-town addresses (and of course 3 cents for out of town addresses).
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Following up on this, Terry Kurzinski, the dealer who sold the envelopes on ebay, wrote an article about these in the March 2018 issue of The United States Specialist, entitled "New Find: Prexie Used 'Out of the Mails'."

In short, John Becker was exactly correct.

Included in the article, someone who purchased one of the covers from Terry on ebay contacted the Galloway Co., which is still in business, and was able to get some historical context to the envelope and slips.

Additionally, in a later issue, a member submitted as a letter to the editor, the original ruling that applies to Milk Checks, as printed in the February 20, 1936 Postal Bulletin:


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MILK CHECKS. A check given in payment for milk is not a "letter" within the meaning of the private express statutes. If the check shows upon its face for what purpose it is issued, i.e., pounds of milk for which payment is being made, quality, test, price per pound, etc., it would still fall within the category of "commercial papers"; however, such data must be a part of the body of the check itself. Milk checks in this form may be delivered by contract milk haulers, or by any other method suitable to the sender outside the mails without the payment of postage.

However, a milk statement or settlement sheet, giving information relative to weight of the milk, quality, butterfat contents, deductions for hauling, price per pound, etc., when forwarded along with the milk check for the producer's information and retained in his possession, is a "letter" within the meaning of the private express statutes.

KARL A. CROWLEY, Solicitor
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