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Posted 12/05/2015   08:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Red1972 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all,
I would appreciate the forums experts opinion about the value of the following items.

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Posted 12/05/2015   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I will take the first guess: somewhere under 5 USD.
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Posted 12/05/2015   11:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Certainly no expert, but I do find the second cover interesting. Poor condition yes, but blue cancel adds at least $1 to value (according to Scott's) and the year indicia appears to be upside-down. Not unusual, but I always thing that adds some interest. Also it's a Civil War military cover, which adds more intrigue. Lots of room there for research.
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Posted 12/05/2015   8:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Red,

The stamp on the first cover (a "lady's" cover) is Scott #11 or #11A. The stamp is faded and sulfuretted (discolored/darkened). It may have some value as a dead post office (DPO). I can't make out the town in the postmark, or find any town in Connecticut that seems to match.

The stamp on the second cover is Scott #65. It is of some interest as a Civil War military cover jamesw mentioned, but the missing left edge of the envelope may significantly limit its value.
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Posted 12/05/2015   9:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A second search turned up Rockville for the #11A cover; not a city or town, but a village in Connecticut.
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Posted 12/05/2015   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are there any transit markings on the back of the covers?
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Posted 12/07/2015   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the lady's cover from Connecticut is something that I would put in a $1 box, mainly for the cost of handling it. It is not rare, the postmark is too degraded, the stamp is degraded, and there is nothing special about the delivery or destination.

On the second cover I might put that one in a $5 box, though, solely because it is addressed to a Union Army captain. I can not quite make out the date which might increase or decrease the value slightly, but the rough opening and the degraded stamp are negatives. Also fact that it is addressed to the soldier in Illinois is a big detraction as the ones collectors pay extra for are the ones where the soldier was at a location in the field fighting the war. The good thing is that pretty much every soldier and sailor from the war can be researched.

In this case the soldier is Captain William D. E. Andrus who was the officer in charge of Company D in the 11th Illinois Volunteer Infantry Regiment. The 11th was formed in 1861 as a 3 month only unit and at that time Andrus was a 2nd Lieutenant in charge of Company D, but then when the war did not end in a few months as Lincoln predicted it was greatly expanded and formed into a unit that would last throughout the war. In this second incarnation, the 11th Illinois lists Andrus now as a Captain though still only in charge of Company D. The 11th Illinois was made up of men mostly from Winnebago County, Illinois which is up on the northern border of the state. The positive collector interests in the 11th Illinois is that they did fight in 5 engagements which though relatively few by some unit's standards they did include two well known battles: Vicksburg and Shiloh along with three not well known battles: Fort Donelson, Champion Hill, and Fort Blakely. The regiment only suffered 186 killed in action during its entire time in the war which suggests that they did not see much front line action even in the battles in which they participated especially since the main Union army tactic was to throw masses of men at Confederate positions hoping to overwhelm them and which resulted in horrendous casualies for the Union regiments. By the end of the war Andrus was still only a Captain which suggests that perhaps he did not distinguish himself very much.

Here is a period photo of Captain William D. E. Andrus.

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Posted 12/07/2015   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The value of both covers lies in the postal history realm, rather than just the stamp. The market is wider than just "stamp collectors". From my experience ....

The attractiveness of the embossing on the first cover and its overall neatnes should easily fetch $5 on ebay.

Though opened roughly, the value of the second cover is largely driven by the address. Even without the letters, covers like these are avidly sought by civil war historians who are descendants of members of their certain regiments. It also has appeal to local postal history collectors. I have seen covers in similar condition addressed to/from civil war soldiers fetch $10-$40 depending on the regiment and how much additional research came with them.
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