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Hindenburg Cover. Any Value?

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Posted 12/09/2015   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hee. Thanks for the link!

Quite some information there.
I do not collect covers though, hence the question. But it seems like there might be somebody interested.

Remco
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Posted 12/09/2015   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Edit: double post.

Is it also important to who it went to maybe?



Remco

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Posted 12/09/2015   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
remco, unless the recipient was famous (or infamous) I don't think it matters much.

(And, interestingly, sometimes the recipients are the same as the senders.)
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Posted 12/09/2015   2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Philatelic but nice cover anyways.
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Posted 12/09/2015   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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KGB wrote: Strange cover in that I see no dates. Surely the P. O. in Los Angeles would have cancelled the envelope.


This was handled as "registered" letter regulations required. Thus the undated/mute obliterations to the stamps on the front and the dated Los Angeles cancels across the flaps on the reverse. And the multitude of cancels documenting its transit.
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Posted 12/09/2015   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John, thanks very much! I continue learning here!
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Posted 12/09/2015   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I do not collect covers though, hence the question. But it seems like there might be somebody interested.


Somebody...?

That's a great cover. I love the back of it. In my eyes, there is no such thing as 'overkill' with these philatelic covers.

I don't have any Hindenburg flight covers. Yet

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Posted 12/09/2015   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mrs. Stampcrow must have hacked the hubby's account. I expected drooling.
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Posted 12/09/2015   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGB, I couldn't find that emoticon.

Besides..., I'm playin' it cool.
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Posted 12/10/2015   02:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Stampcrow

Well 25 more posts I have to do before anything is allowed. So I hope it still is here then and that Mrs.stampcrow is ok with it ;).

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Posted 12/10/2015   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a market for all covers, the question for most people though is whether it has cash value and if so how much. All zeppelin covers are collectable, but this one would be much less collectable and attract a corrspondingly smaller cash value than most of the other covers that were flown on this particular leg of this flight. The main reason is the blind cancels on the stamps on the front of the cover. Most collectors of this kind of cover insist on clear, readable cancelations on the stamps on the front. Flight covers are about being sent from one place to another by air and there is no way for this to be displayed in either a cover book or more importantly on an exhibition page in a way that shows that it was mailed from Los Angeles nor when it was mailed. The second drawback that it has, though not as big as the lack of any date/place cancels on the front is the condition. It is a bit dirty and wrinkled/worn. The nice assortment of airmail stamps is a plus, but this does not overcome the lack of date/place cancels on the front. So, yes it is collectable, but no it would not likely attract much collector interest in buying it other than perhaps stamp collector interest as opposed to flight collector interest.
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Posted 12/10/2015   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Aha, ok.

And I actually thought the condition of the cover was not that bad at all. Is it not so that the wrinkles can be fixed? The cancellation..well I really do not know what gets people excited yet:).

Thanks for your reply! Maybe you are willing to show something simulair, that would be ok? Without wrinkles and with nice readable dates etc..

Thanks again.

Remco

Edit: Spelling...
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Edited by remco mouthaan - 12/10/2015 11:29 am
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Posted 12/10/2015   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you enter Zeppelin covers in the World Covers forum, you'll get two pages of results..:)

https://www.stampcommunity.org/sear...sp?mode=DoIt
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Posted 12/10/2015   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay. Here is one that just sold by someone - not me - on ebay for a final bid of $13.

The things that are most desireable on this are:
1. There is a nice, clear, easily readable postmark of the appropriate date
2. There is a nice clear dark easily readable cachet
3. The paper of the cover itself is not darkened, wrinkled, edge worn, rough opening, edge sliced off, etc.
4. The size of the cover is a number 6 which is the most desireable for any first flight cover except for those very few flights where only number 10 (legal) sized envelopes were used.
5. The cover paper is white. Colored paper envelopes such as blue or pink or grey or green, etc. are less desireable
6. This one has a big bonus of having the receiving cancelation on the front - most first flight covers have the receiving cancel on the back. If there is no receiving cancel or if the receibing cancel has the wrong date then that is a very major detraction unless it is one of the few first flights that for some reason had none of the covers backstamped - but there are very few first flights like that.
7. The return address and the recipients address are either pre-printed or typed. Very neat an small handwriting in this regard is okay, but sloppy or overly large handwriting are detractions.
8. The cancels, stamps, cachets, addresses, etc. are not overlapping. Overlapping makes these harder to read and the cover becomes a bit less desireable depending on the extent.
9. This cover does not have additional markings such as a zeppelin ettiquet or airmail ettiquet, but those are just bonus that do not detract if they are not present unless the flight had something special for it that is not present.
10. This cover has colorful and appropriate airmail stamps which is a plus. If it were a flight for which a special airmail stamp was issued then not having that special airmail stamp is a huge detraction.

I hope this helps in understanding what gets the fullest price as opposed to something less than a full price in first flight covers.

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Posted 12/10/2015   12:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add remco mouthaan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again for your great reply :).

Would almost say..now I know why I do not collect covers. Not trying to defend the value of the cover here. But isn't the one shown then just common? I as an non cover collector like the look factor from the one here more, but that might just be my "wrong" look at them. The paper seems to be the same, I made the picture in bad light so that might change the appearance a bit. But ok, I think I get the picture on what is hot and what is not. Thanks again, hope I didn't bother you to much.

Regards from an non cover collector ;).

Remco
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