FDC Or Not?

I would like to have your opinions about the FDC and the cancellation 1st day.
Let's take an example:
I have the hereunder souvenir sheet which is Scott#B80 / Michel Block 2 / Zumstein 8 Block 2
Scott is not giving any quotation for 1st day cancellation or FDC
Michel & Zumstein are giving FDC quotation
Can my souvenir sheet be considered as a FDC even if it isn't obviously sticked to a cover ?

NB: If not very clear": the date of the cancellation is 23.X.36 which is the date of issue of the stamps

Priatel, it is a First Day cancellation, not a First Day Cover!

Peter

And what is the difference ? ( in value)
I never saw quotation for 1st day cancellation; only for FDC.

If I stick it on a blank cover of 1936, isn't not the same that a FDC, because the cancellation is already done by the post office ?
And a lot of FDC are not sent by post (they are even unaddressed).

Priatel, I do not know. From my time spent in Switzerland I seem to remember that the Swiss collect several items not normally found elsewhere, First Day Cancels on stamps and souvenir sheets being some of those. For actual value of some of these items you might find the answer by checking the Swiss (German?) E-bay.

Peter

@Peter4522
OK.
But, finally what is a FDC ?
Is it a cover (any) with the stamp, cancelled the day of issue ?
Is it a special cover ?

What call the catalogues by the words "FDC" ?
- Has it to be a special cover with a special design and with a special cancellation? (no need to travel)
- Or can it be an ordinary cover posted the day of issue ? (that one has travelled)

Priatel
The value for the block alone dated 23.X.36 is CHF 480, on cover with the same date (as FDC) the value is CHF 2000. Be careful: a lot of the blocks have a fake cancellation.

@vacallo
I know, but my post is for understanding what exactly means "FDC" in the catalogue Michel, Zumstein oder SBK.
The example I took with the sheet Pro patria, is also valid for single stamp with a 1st day cancellation; stamps alone, not on cover.
What is their value compared to same stamps but with another date than issue date ?

I believe the rule of thumb is:
FDC=First Day of issue cancel on any Cover (with or without markings to identify such)
OFDC=Official First Day Cover issued by the Post Office (usually with a special postmark and/or cachet).

The one pictured looks like a souvenir sheet or card, cancelled (possibly on the first day of issue); but, not on a cover.

priatel, Greetings:

Under the title 'FDC', we find different types of covers:

- unaddressed (a/k/a 'handbacks') versus addressed (passed individually thru the mail);

- cacheted (that nice artwork) versus uncacheted.

The conditionistas have led us to value most the unaddressed, cacheted FDCs.

There are also:

- hand-cacheted, with the cachet being applied/drawn before cancellation, or at some later time;

- incidental (a/k/a "real") FDCs, eg, a cover that passed thru the mail bearing a stamp with an everyday cancellation that bears the date of issue;

- Earliest Known Use (EKU), eg, a cover that passed thru the mail bearing a stamp with an everyday cancellation that bears the earliest date known ... mostly relevant for covers => ~100 years old.

Glad you asked?

If 'yes', be sure to ask about the finer categories & distinctions ...

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey

@ikeyPikey
OK, but which one is corresponding to FDC in the catalogue Michel or Zumstein ?

In 1936 and older dates, there were no special stamp for 1st day.
The older date I have found for special stamp for 1st day on Swiss stamps is 1948.

So, if you have a stamp (not on a cover) which bears an everyday cancellation with the date of issue, is its value like that one of a FDC?
Example:

priatel, Greetings:

And, now, a few generalizations:

What you've got is a very nice SOTN (Socked On The Nose) stamp.

A few people collect SOTNs actively, eg, keep a separate album, want list, etc.

Many more people collect ('retain' is a better word) SOTNs the way that they set aside precancels, plate number singles, etc ... the ones they get, they keep.

SOTN prices will follow the price curve of the underlying stamp, eg, more for good condition, drastically less for poor condition, zero from collectors who only collect MNHOG, etc.

You will get a premium from the person who actively seeks SOTNs - or who finds them appealing - and you will get less from the person who seeks lightly cancelled GPU (Genuinely Postally Used).

An EKU off-cover SOTN stamp will also follow the price curve of the FDCs of the underlying stamp.

Again, some folks seek-out EKUs, some folks retain EKUs, and many folks don't even know they have one because they did not check the date.

Since almost all recent (eg post-1940) stamps are worth about one US penny, you could say that there is a massive premium on recent EKU & SOTN stamps, as they could sell for several US pennies.

For an older SOTN EKU stamp, look at the prices of the underlying stamp, and the price of the underlying FDCs, and take a guess.

In all cases, if you want to collect that premium, you are going to have to wait for the guy who wants that stamp to come along.

All that having been said ...

Astonishingly, knowing nothing about the underlying stamp or its FDCs, I'd give you a couple of dollars for your SOTN because my brother (z"l) once lived in Rhinebeck, New York, USA, and we had a fun visit over the American Thanksgiving holiday weekend way back in 1969.

Cheers,

/s/ ikeyPikey