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German Vineta Provisional

 
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Posted 04/07/2016   5:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PostmasterGS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
In 1901, the German cruiser S.M.S. Vineta began a tour of ports on the east coast of South America, the Caribbean, and the Gulf of Mexico. On 26 January 1901, the Vineta arrived in New Orleans for a 14-day official visit.



The visit coincided with Kaiser Wilhelm II's 42nd birthday, 27 January 1901, so a grand celebration was planned to commemorate the event. A Grand Banquet hosted by the German community of New Orleans was held in the Banquet Hall of the St. Charles Hotel, wit the German officers as the honored guests.

After leaving New Orleans, the Vineta continued its Caribbean tour. When it arrived in Port of Spain, Trinidad, on 16 March 1901, newspapers from New Orleans and surrounding communities reporting the events of the visit were delivered to the ship. Many of the newspaper reports included photos of the crew, which were a high-interest item at the time.

As a result, many members of the crew wanted to send copies of the newspapers back home to Germany. The rate for printed matter up to 50 grams was 3 Pf, but since printed matter was rarely mailed from on board ships of the German Navy, 3 Pf stamps were not stocked on the ship. The postal regulations of the time called for the postal clerks to use manuscript markings in the absence of proper postage. However, that's not what happened onboard the Vineta.

It's not clear with whom the idea for creating the Vineta Provisional arose, but it is believed to have been either Chief Paymaster Wegener or Chief Postal Clerk Sanftenberg. The plan was approved by Vineta's Captain da Fonseca-Wollheim, so three sheets of 5 Pf Germania stamps were bisected and handstamped with a "3 PF" overprint.


MiNr A I on Newspaper Wrapper

The sheets were not all bisected at the same time, but bisected as needed. This led to variations in the color of the handstamp overprint, as the tropical sun and heat onboard the ship caused changes in the ink's color.

The handstamp was manufactured by Chief Postal Clerk Sanftenberg by cutting a piece of soft rubber from a cleaning tool. The poor quality rubber, when combined with the tropical conditions, made the handstamp brittle and resulted in a piece of the "P" breaking off, creating a distinctive identifier on some issues.



The provisionals were first used on 13 April 1901. They were stocked in the ship's canteen, and crewmembers could purchase them as needed.

Following the receipt in Germany of newspaper wrappers posted with the provisionals, German postal authorities sent a letter to Captain da Fonseca-Wollheim directing him to cease using the stamps. This letter arrived on approximately 28 June 1901, and all uses after that date are believed to be favor cancels by Chief Postal Clerk Sanftenberg.

The Vineta Provisional was formerly cataloged in Michel as MiNr 67, but was changed to MiNr A I in recent years due to the unauthorized nature of its use. It's catalogued in Scott as Sc 65B.
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Posted 04/07/2016   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postmaster - thanks yet again for another interesting lecture
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Posted 04/08/2016   09:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add knuppster59 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wow, good info here. Thanks!
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Posted 04/08/2016   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great information and, thanks for sharing

Chimo

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Posted 11/25/2018   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uweinnh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seems to be popular among forgers recently.
I saw this, googled it, and there are several offers
on various auction sites.
Should not the BPP mark go down rather than up on MNH stamps?
And people keep buying...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Deutsches-...43663.l10137

(you'll have to copy/paste the link and edit it for it to work)
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Posted 11/25/2018   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The copy from that ebay link appears to be correctly marked.


The BPP marking for a mint, perforated stamp with overprint (first B below -- MIT AUFDRUCK GEZÄHNT) should be at bottom-left, running bottom-to-top.
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Thank you for the clarification. Missed the "overprint" B columns.
Learned a lot, though, of this curious stamp.
Here an unkind opinion about its validity

https://www.klassische-philatelie.c..._vineta.html

and here an old offer for a facsimile (so old that only the Google cache exists):

https://webcache.googleusercontent....c5ybCccBF8J:https://www.primus-muenzen.com/Hoch...t=clnk&gl=us

Googling also gives other interesting (albeit in German) essays...
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Posted 11/25/2018   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/16/2018   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uweinnh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The last forgery sold for $301, let's see what this one goes for

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vineta-Pro...123539233101

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perf12: thanks for the link to Phila Seiten. I've added another bookmark to my list of stamp-related sites.
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Posted 10/27/2019   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uweinnh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This forgery never goes out of style.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1901-Germa...AOSwOzddr1ZM
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This dealer is well known for fakes and items of this type.
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