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Canada 1534ii And 1535ii

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Posted 12/17/2016   1:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That was a very interesting article.


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But if they 'somehow' made it into public through other channels then they are nothing more than printers waste.


Printer's waste? That does not mean they have no value.
The US inverted jenny was printer's waste. It has a little bit of value.

Bought from a flea market? I bet not. That sounds like an excuse so they do not have to tell where they truly came from, ie flea market is an untraceable source. My guess would be that they were taken by a post office employee or someone that was supposed to destroy them for themselves. Temptation is hard to overcome.
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Posted 12/17/2016   1:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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...Printer's waste? That does not mean they have no value.
The US inverted jenny was printer's waste. It has a little bit of value...


The Inverted Jenny was purchased across a PO counter so it is considered an genuine error.

One of the issues with 'rewarding' printers waste is that you are making a market for stolen material. If an employee can slip out any misprint at all, or even intentionally make them when no one is looking, then you are supporting artificial 'errors'.

This is why printers waste is generally shunned by many collectors.

Flea market? Is that not another way of simply obfuscating the fact they came from sources which do not want to be identified? The most likely situation is that they are printers waste.

Unless the holders of this material can prove they were sold at a PO, my opinion is that they should be totally avoided by catalog publishers, album printers, and hobbyists.
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Posted 12/17/2016   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interestingly, it says it was found in Halifax, Nova Scotia. The Canada Post Philatelic Centre is in Antigonish, Nova Scotia. However, I don't know if at the time it was in Ottawa, Ontario which is also where the printer the Canadian Bank Note Company is located.
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Posted 12/18/2016   06:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some other references:

Holmes, Bruce, "Letters to the Editor," The Canadian Philatelist,Vol. 49, No. 6, November - December 1998.
http://www.rpsc.org/CP_scans/Canadi...o.%20289.pdf

Saskatoon Stamp Centre, "The 1994 Christmas Variety," Corgi Times, Volume VIII, Number 2, September-October 1999, pp. 35-36.
https://www.adminware.ca/esg/corgit.../vol8no2.pdf

Gary J. Lyon (Philatelist) Ltd., "The Un-issued 52c Christmas Stamp," Newsletter, November 1999, p. 1. Ibid. Newsletter, April 2000, p. 2.

An Infrequent Occurrence: Canadian stamps with incorrect values, Joseph Monteiro,The Canadian Philatelist, May-June 2002, pp. 121-122.
https://www.rpsc.org/CP_scans/Canad...o.%20310.pdf

http://www.psestamp.com/articles/article1579.chtml
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Posted 12/18/2016   10:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some auction statistics on both stamps.
There may be around 500 of 1534ii and 100 of 1535ii.

http://www.canadianstampauctions.co...0/1534ii.htm

http://www.canadianstampauctions.co...0/1535ii.htm
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Posted 12/19/2016   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A dealer that knows very much about these stamps has just recently told me in an email that there were around 2500 (50 x 50) of the 52 cents Canada 1534ii stamp as far as he recalls and 1000 copies of the 90 cents Canada 1535ii stamp.
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Edited by jogil - 12/19/2016 6:01 pm
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Posted 01/26/2017   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does a post office pad usually contain 50 panes so that the 2500 copies (50 panes x 50 stamps) of the 52 cents stamps may have come from one pad? Also, the 1000 copies of the 90 cents stamps would have come from 20 panes of 50 stamps which is a very even and regular number for stamps that were found all broken down into singles by non-collector(s) before they got to the philatelic market. Are there any philatelic detectives out there?
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Edited by jogil - 01/26/2017 09:51 am
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Posted 01/30/2017   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another reference:

Verge, Charles J.G., The 1994 Unissued Christmas Stamps, American Philatelist, v. 116, no. 12, 2002, p. 1082-1084

Does anyone have a copy of this article?
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Posted 02/06/2017   10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just read the APS article mentioned above and found it to be the most informative article on these stamps so far. The author of the article calls these stamps essays.
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Posted 03/05/2019   06:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These stamps have been recently discussed in the two latest issues of Canadian Stamp News.

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Posted 03/05/2019   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does Unitrade list 1534ii and 1535ii as Peterborough Paper or Coated Papers? Looking at a corner imprint block of 1534ii, it has "C" for Coated Papers.

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