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Is This A Local GB Letter Or Is It Maritime From Elsewhere?

 
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Posted 07/03/2016   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add duncanvr to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Looking here at the rate plus the fact that they wrote England in the address I am wondering where this letter is from. It appears to be a place called Collingwood. Can anyone work out the origin and also id the postmark? Thanks for the help I just was not sure with this one.




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Posted 07/04/2016   08:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is the second word in the postmark "HARBOR"? There is a place called Collingwood Harbor in Ontario, Canada. It is a port town on Georgian Bay in Lake Huron. It was the terminus of a railroad and served as a trans-shipping center with the cargo ships plying the Great Lakes. If so, this would make the cover one that likely traveled to some eastern Canadian city and then on a ship across the Atlantic to Liverpool and then to its destination. I am not an expert on ship letters, but I tend to be a bit conservative and so while I would agree that this was carried on a ship across the Atlantic I might be hesitant to call this an actual 'ship letter' (or even a 'packet letter') since the British Ship Letter Office began in 1799 and ended in 1847. This letter seems to have been sent in 1861. By the way, packet letters were carried by ships that were owned by the British Post Office while ship letters were carried by non-post office owned ships.
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Posted 07/04/2016   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Harbor is likely correct, or Collingwood Corner in Nova Scotia, for the indistinct departure CDS. Either way, the handwritten rate is correct for transatlantic ship letters from Canada to England in this period; both NS and the Province of Canada had issued stamps for the (today) odd rate of 12 1/2 cents by 1860. Note that the letter was written on the 14th, a Saturday, apparently too late to be posted, as the CDS is dated for the 16th, the following Monday.

Funny how letters in this period so often are about unpaid debts. Twelve cents wasn't cheap, but a wealthy property owner seeking to collect Christmas rents due on distant estates would have had no issue. "Bah, humbug," in effect!
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Posted 07/04/2016   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for adding the great details, cjpalermo! My thought about it being Collingwood Harbor rather and Corner is from what I can see on my monitor the last three letters in seem to be BOR, but my eyes may be playing tricks on me. Also, the town itself is currently called just Collingwood so this reinforces my thought. Collingwood Corner may be correct though.
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Posted 07/04/2016   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Collingwood Harbor (Ontario) cancel is interesting in that it is spelt the American way, rather than Harbour, the Canadian way. That is because it was made by Edmund Hoole of New York, more commonly known for fabricating American cancels in the 1850's and 60's, and railway baggage tags.

The Collingwood Harbor cancel has an earliest recorded date of Aug 14, 1856, and last known Dec 5, 1867. [ref Postal History Society of Canada website]

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Posted 07/04/2016   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the help I knew it was transatlatic simply from the rate and the fact they wrote Liverpool England and not just Liverpool but was not sure where it was from. I am glad you've all now identified as from Collingwood Harbor Canada. The pen used on the letter looks remarkably like a modern style pen.
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Posted 07/05/2016   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the spelling 'harbor' is more than just because the cancellation device was made by an American - that is the original spelling. In looking around the internet I find that there are a great many references from Canadian sources in the mid 1800s to the town being spelled Collingwood Harbor. Here is just one of the many examples - this one is the text from an article on page 3 of the Ontario Globe of June 25, 1853:

We observe that the Sale of Lands laid out by Sheriff Smith at Collingwood Harbor, it to take place at Wakefield's Auction Mart on Thursday next the 30th instant. A fair opportunity is afforded to speculators in the purchase of lots at a location which, according to all precedent, must grow into a place of considerable extent and importance, not only by its connexion [sic] with the Northern Railroad, but also from the locality being one which scarcely stands second to any in the province as an agricultural district. The picturesque scenery of Lake Huron is the admiration of all; the country around has a fertile soil; the County of Simcoe in which it is situated is growing in importance, and the facility of communication and transport by means of the Railroad, unites to make Collingwood a most promising place for the settler.

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