Czechoslovakia 1980 - 2&3 Kcs Mi:2542&2543 Horizontal Strip Of 4. Anyone Knows What Are

- the backside numbers, what do they represent? I just found out that the #s on the back could be representing the printing form, and both stamps should have the same 220. So why is the 3kcs is 720?
- my perf calculation is different from catalogs 11 1/2:11 3/4, my stamps are 11 1/4 : 11 3/4.
- anyone seen a STRIP of 4 from those in my post, does this STRIP have a different c# & cv?

Thanks,
Robi13

Robi, please do not take me wrong here, but do you ever read any of the posts? Just the other day someone asked the same question about back numbers. These are probably coilstamps, and are back numbered for accounting purposes
Second question. Your perforation is the same as the catalogs. They round off to the nearest half.
And your third question. This is not a block of four, but a strip of four. Another clue that these are probably coil stamps, in other words stamps out of a stamp dispensing machine. If you have a specialized catalog of these stamps it will most likely show these. I do not think foreign catalogs ( Scott, Michel etc ) show these.

Peter

Peter,

1/ It was me asking regarding a Spanish stamp (they number each one as I understood), this is different thing, cause no each stamp is numbered and the numbers are low taking into consideration how many were issued, so that's why Im asking.
2/ I'm not sure that you're right here, cause if they round up, why do the catalog mention 11 3/4?
3/ I didn't want to use "strip" so the guys will not run away from the forum to the SBar and leave us her all alone :) , thanks for reminding me of the word, you're right.
4/ I don't have the spec catalog Peter and I hoped someone here from CZ or SK could have it and maybe send me some nice answer.

Don't take me wrong Peter, but sometimes its better not to just immediately react with an answer, because you might be wrong in answers, as you were wrong regarding my past 2 posts (Russian souvenir sheet & Austrian Ersttag sheet of two stamps (one is imperf MNH) ) and (Postage&Revenue - Is it a perfin? Is there additional hand cancel or? Thanks).

Robi

Robi,

assuming these are from coil rolls, and assuming that the coil rolls are probably cut into rolls of 1000, then the numbers (probably only on every 10th stamp) would be a counter to let you know how many were left on the roll. if this premise is correct, then they would all be low (less than 1000) numbers. and if you search enough, you could possibly find more with the same number (number 220 from several different rolls of the same stamp) might be an interesting challenge to get all the numbers (10, 20, 30, etc).

Hi Kuhli.

Assumption is the mother of all F-ups (l learned that from US guys) :) , so let's not assume and let's work with facts.
My question to you now is: does the Gravure printing method use coil rolls of stamp printing paper? Because the stamps in this case are from 1980 and based on the Pofis catalog the printing method is Gravure.
If I'm wrong, pls accept my apology and pls explain it, so I would understand it better.


Thanks,
Robi

These numbers look like coil counting numbers. A Czechoslovakia specialist is needed to confirm (or refute) this opinion/guess.

If the perforations weren't so good, I'd be stronger in my opinion that these are coil strips with numbers.

First thing Michel give them 11 1/4 X 12. And Scott 11 1/2 x 12 and they are coil but I pretty sure the number are date code on those stamps

If they are coil stamps, why would they be torn down the long edges? Doesn't every coil stamp have to be cut down the perfs?

Ringo, good point. Coil stamps used to have imperforate margins to aid the feed through the machine, but they quickly moved towards perforated all round once the feed mechanism had been sorted out.

They are coil stamps. Similar numbering (but with different lettering) can be found also on earlier 'numerical definitives' of Czechoslovakia. Every 10th stamp gets a number (ie. 010,020,030.). Not sure how big the rolls were, the largest number I've got is 840.





Different countries/eras have used different type of machinery. Others perform more well than others.


-k-

scb,

Can you share with us image of an earlier 'numerical definitive as well as the stamp you've got with number 820? Btw, is the stamp (with #820) is a stand alone or is it in strip?

Robi

@Robi13... It's about midnight and I'd rather not wake up the kids by scanner ;) Just Google for 'Svitkové výplatní známky' (coil stamp for Ceska) and you'll see plenty of examples for the other Czechoslovakian coil stamps.

All my copies are singles as I'm not interested in strips; just a personal preference of mine.

All in all I see nothing special with your specimens (but me being just a worldwide collector with lots of knowledge in nothing particular I could be very much wrong, LOL).

-k-

Just checked my Michel (for the fun of it)... It states that for the stamps you showed, every 5th stamp has got a number (never seen a stamp ending to number 5 though). No details are provided for the numbering of earlier coils.

And for the print method... Michel states all these 1970/80s numerical coil stamps were printed using photo(gravure).

-k-

SCB!

Wrong these stamps are COIL stamps printed in recess (+ photogravure) on a WIFAG rotary of the State printers in Praha! Compare them to the Swiss coil stamps in the 1936-1980 periods, practically ALL in recess with only the 1939 Landesausstellung in photogravure.

Michel is Wrong!

The first series of coil stamps was printed in photogravure on a Goebel rotary of Wertpapier Druckerei in 1975 in Leipzig, German democratic Republic; the second series of 1976 in photogravure by the State Printers in Praha. The third series of 1979-80 is the one ou refer to.

http://www.galeoptix.nl/fila/czechoslowa_r08.htm

pozdrwiam, Rein

@Rein/Galeoptix... Don't shoot the messenger, I was just citing Michel

I know (and you know) that Michel is not the most accurate source of information when it comes to print methods and other fine details, but it is still light-years ahead of Scott, Yvert and SG. Maybe you should drop a message at Michel forums and ask the editors to review/update the listing.

-k-

Hi Rein.

thank you for your evidence-based response. I would like to rap up & summarize, so please be a bit patient with me in case of some un-clever questions from my side.
I'm also adding a macro scan of the back numbers, so to see them better.

Summary & questions:
1- stamps are COIL stamps printed in recess (+ photogravure).
2- numbers on the back are:
a/ counting numbers? Every 5th or 10th stamp?
b/ date codes?
c/ or represent something else?
3- which perforation reference is the correct one, so to compare my stamps with?
4- does STRIPs of 2,3 or 4 have got (btw, I couldn't find even a STRIP of two on the internet) a different catalog# & catalog value?


Pozdravujem,
Robi