Czechoslovakia 1980 - 2&3 Kcs Mi:2542&2543 Horizontal Strip Of 4. Anyone Knows What Are

Robi, you don't get it yet.... they are worthless , and forget about my dated thing , I mess up with my translation and I can't edit it now




I first tough it was only 1 printing process because only 1 color, but under 50x ( real optic bino not those cheap USB microscope ) we can see the stamp is actually 2 colours. The black is definitive printed over the color , I can see it by adjusting the focus

I can attach a usb cam on the bino but I will need to plug my laptop ....to much work for a guy who work all the night .


here my bino , it's a old photo the laptop is at work today as I was working on albums pages last night and tonight too . It's with zoom I have 0.5 - 3.5 x 20 , so 10 to 70 x

Yes and no... Michel does have a category for intaglio recess (StTdr/Stichtiefdruck), but that is not the same as WIFAG recess in my humble opinion (Rein, please correct if I'm wrong).

Like with perforations, colors etc. catalogs (try to) simplify things. Instead of 'facts' you get 'altered version of truth'.





They're counting number, should be for every 5th stamp.... The page Rein linked states the coil machine provided stamps in strips-of-five.





None... Catalogs always round the results.

If you want precise figures, then try this: http://www.stampcollectingblog.com/...ation-gauge/ (there are several alternative apps/tools to measure perfs, but since I built this, I know it works flawlessly, LOL)




Not in general catalogs. Likely country specific special catalog (in this case POFIS) would provide reference to complete strips (of five).

And like I wrote, what you have is not rare. Have seen several items such as the ones you've got over the years/decades. The reason you don't see pictures of them is that most (western) collectors consider them as 'starter packet material' not worth retailing individually. And to certain level I agree with the assessment. Here's couple of random coil pairs I pulled from my duplicates box after some digging:



So the fact that you don't find images of pairs and larger strips using google does not mean they do not exist.

-k-

Rob13,

the original idea of having numbers at the back was to be able to tell the number of stamps still left in the coil [or counter dispenser]. But hardly anyone remembers this; it is still useful probably to quickly tell where to tear off a strip of 10 (or 15) as the sheer presence of a number gives you some idea about it....

The exact perforation gauge is something you should be able to tell yourselve! Just measure the length of your strip of 4 (heart to heart of the perforation holes), the number of teeth will be 60 [4x15] then the gauge = (20 x number of teeth)/(length of the strip); analogically for the vertical gauge where the mumber of teeth is 13.

Apart from getting coil strips [or singles] from the slot-machines, the stamps were available in coils for sale to whole-sale users [including philatelic dealers] and were mostly sold in strips of 5 [or 6] in order to have at least one number at the back for collectors..

The 1970-ies coil stamps of the Comecon countries were originally printed in Leipzig; that is for the GDR, Poland, Czechoslowakija, Hungary and Bulgaria - an earlier coil stamp for the USSR was printed in 1969 in photogravure at the Goznak printing house in Moscow. By 1979 the Czechoslowak Post Office started to print the coil stamps themselves.

The 1970-1979 COMECON arrangement included the production of slot-machines by the Hungarian firm of Fok-Gyem.

As all the coil stamps were produced by the Wertpapierdruckerei in Leipzig, the uncut coils could have been divided up in "sheets" of 60 for collectors. Some countries like Poland wanted to have the same design in normal counter sheets of 100, also printed by the Wertpaperdruckerei, in order to have stamps avaialble for collectors!

The slot-machines could be adjusted to give singles, strips of 2 or 5 - whatever was needed. The stamps were torn up by a mechanism inside the slot-machine.

Under certain circumstances - I once wanted to get a strip of 2 Polish coil stamps having prepared a heavy bag of coins! And then the stamps did NOT get torn and I was left with how many stamps I would prefer to have for the price of 2! Just depending on how delicately tearing the (long) strip before it broke off.... :)

SCB,

scarceness of these coil stamps is not what matters! Some may be scarce indeed however, but the main problem was [and is] to get the background information straight. No one in the postal authorities cared much about what had been experimented years ago, so the best we can do is to describe the conditions under which we met these stamps, the better!

And that is what I tried to do when I first met these slot-machines in 1975 in Poland, and later on in Budapest in the early 1980-ies....

pozdrawiam, Rein

Dear Rein.

Your way of explaining things is simply GREAT, so a big THANK YOU for your answers.

@SCB, thank you for the summary, I do appreciate it.


Robi

Galeoptix & SCB,

It was hard to find... so this is a proof of the existence of the mentioned numbering (every 5th stamp), so have a look at the green Kcs :)

Robi

Robi,

Congratulations!!

Apart from the 2Kcs, I would suggest you clean them so the hinges get removed... The back numbers of the 2Kcs may get lost when you soak them!!

pozdrawiam, Rein

Thanks a lot Rein, I was very excited when I finally found :-)))

Pozdravujem,
Robi

Robi,

I suggest you read the thread I started here about among others Polish and Czechoslowak definitives:

https://goscf.com/t/48681&whichpage=3

BTW, later today I will be some 10 kilometers from the Slowak border in Bia#322;ka Tatrza#324;ska..

pozdrawiam, Rein

Hi Rein.

That's great, I'll send you email with my cellphone #, so I'm time flexible till 14.30h .


Looking forward to meet you,
Robi