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Bidstart Vs. Paypal Payment Hell

 
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Posted 08/05/2016   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Timm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I recently tried to pay for the lots I won on Bidlots with PayPal.
The same way I have done it for years.

The link send you to a blank page and stays there.
So I contacted BidStart.

Here are some of the Replies:

"We have had a few reports from buyers that once they proceed to PayPal to pay for items they are receiving a blank screen on PayPal in some cases. We're currently reviewing this matter, but as they issue appears to be happening on PayPal's website it is taking longer than we would like to determine what is causing this, as it may be an issue with PayPal."

"We have reviewed this issue further, and unfortunately it appears that PayPal is in the process of rolling out a new checkout experience, which only affects select sellers. However, within this new checkout experience they only support paying for 9 items at once, and if you attempt to pay for more than 9 items PayPal's website will crash and display a blank white screen."


"We have updated the checkout page on bidStart to indicate that this may happen if you are paying for more than 9 items. Until we can work around this issue, if you come across a seller who is affected by this, please pay the seller directly via PayPal. The updated checkout page will show you the seller's PayPal email address, which you can use to pay the seller directly, as well as provide a link to PayPal. We apologize for the inconvenience this may cause."

Update: I managed to pay for some of the items (8) I had won with PayPay. But when I tried to pay for the remaining Items, PayPal add on a $4.95 shipping charge. The seller ships for FREE!

Who does the $4.95 surcharge go to???

Not to the seller... he ships for free!

This whole situation is intolerable.

I will NOT use BidStart again until they return the payment procedures to the way the were!
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Posted 08/06/2016   03:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Timm, I feel your pain.

When running a web site, it is very challenging to 'keep up' with the constantly changing technologies. Consider this just from the standpoint of the number of browsers, the number of devices and operating systems, and then the number of versions and combinations which have to be supported. And sites which have dependencies upon other technologies like PayPal have no control over what and when they decide to roll out. All of this results in the need for constant review and testing for website owners and developers. This impacts the cost and drives up the need for testing and support personal.

So now imagine what Mark Rosenberg is facing. He purchased bidStart and also owns the new startup Hip eCommerce. While he can certainly glean efficiencies by using the same developers and support staff for both efforts there are only so many hours in the day. In his open letter he states,
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"Within HipComic.com and HipStamp.com, you'll find a wide range of features built exclusively for collectors of comic books and stamps respectively. For example, on HipStamp listings include attributes specific to stamps, such as Country, Catalog Number, Condition, Format, and more - each of which can easily be searched upon. There you will also find our Catalog section, where you can manage your Collection and Want List; as well as browse for items for sale in Country / Catalog order."


Further on he then states,
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"That being said, from a business point of view, bidStart follows a different model than the other business within Hip eCommerce in that it aims to provide a singular platform for all collectibles. This is a business model which serves different needs than that of HipComic or HipStamp, and I see no reason why bidStart can not also happily exist within the Hip eCommerce family."


The way I read this is that the HipStamp site is probably more technically robust but that the bidStart site has the existing customer base. HipStamp has the benefit of being new from the ground up and they were able to learn from the missteps that might have be taken with previous efforts. Coding is a lot like writing an article or paper, every time you rewrite it gets better.

Will bidStart sit beside HipStamp under the Hip eCommerce family umbrella? Will they be two distinct web sites? Or will they be connected and allow buyers to easily and seamlessly search/navigate across both? Will sellers be able to post a listing in one site and have it appear in both sites? If so, why have two sites? When I read that the plan was to keep both of them I immediately thought it unwise (insert something like, "having your cake and eating it too). If the two sites are kept separate and distinct they will compete with each other. Two separate and distinct sites also represents more cost and headaches. But merging the two sites is a bit like moving a traditional brick and mortar retail store, although you are making improvements you always see a loss of some of the existing customer base after a location change.

I am not making excuses for the issues you are seeing. My point is that trying to take on the well entrenched ebay is daunting enough; doing it with two additional contemporaneously competing websites is something that I cannot fathom. I think he will eventually come to the conclusion that a single effort will better serve the marketplace but until then users may see these kinds of issues.
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Posted 08/06/2016   08:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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"We have reviewed this issue further, and unfortunately it appears that PayPal is in the process of rolling out a new checkout experience, which only affects select sellers. However, within this new checkout experience they only support paying for 9 items at once, and if you attempt to pay for more than 9 items PayPal's website will crash and display a blank white screen."


Can't ebay paypal and other sites just leave things how they are when they seem to be working? I got to try ebay seller hub beta yesterday and it was absolutely terrible. What's more I would hate to be selling on ebay using a smaller screen like a mobile phone, it seems you need a 40 inch monitor to view all the data in seller hub which I hope ebay don't force on sellers.

Restricted for paying for only 9 items in paypal is ridiculous.

Seriously the only thing they are doing with all these changes is frustrating people. As a veteran seller if I got stuck with seller hub & paypal restricted to 9 items paying at once it would drive me up the wall.

If it ain't broke why change it? They are scaring potential buyers and sellers away


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I will NOT use BidStart again until they return the payment procedures to the way the were!
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Posted 08/06/2016   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Duncanvr,
Even if they froze the code base, the rest of the technological world continues to move forward and drastically change. The current drive is to support mobile devices. This evolution has caused sweeping changes in both the ways a web page is designed and the underlying technologies.

A good example of the underlying technology changing is Flash. Flash had become a very widely accepted web technology when everything was mostly desktop computers. But as mobile devices began to gain wide market acceptance; proprietary and embedded operating systems were required to support the Flash specification. Rather than do this, many moved away from supporting Flash and now web developers would be excluding a lot if users if they use Flash in their web pages. Google is hammering the final nail into the Flash coffin by phasing it out of the Chrome browser later this year.

As bad as this might be for end users, imagine if you had spent a lot of time and money developing with Flash. As a developer, you might have purchased a lot (US $100-$1000s) many coding applications; then poured hours and hours into learning how to use it. If you are a web site owner, you may now be faced with substantial new development costs to port to a new environment and away from Flash.

But most importantly, you would be forced to change not because you didn't want to leave things alone, but because everything changed around you.
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Posted 08/06/2016   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PayPal is going through a series of security upgrades. Here is an extract from a recent email:


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At PayPal, data security and safety are our top priorities, and as a result we're implementing a series of security upgrades throughout 2016 and 2017.

To comply with industry standards, we're moving the SSL certificates on our endpoints to stronger encryption known as SHA-256 starting after September 30, 2016. Compatibility with SHA-256 will help strengthen your protection and ensure that your business systems are up to date with the latest security measures.

If your systems aren't SHA-256 compatible, your business will be unable to accept payments with PayPal until changes are made.
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Posted 08/06/2016   09:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Clark makes a very good point; sometimes changes are also driven by security issues.
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Posted 08/06/2016   10:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add HungaryForStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. What happen to patience as a virtue. Must have left with Flash in its wake.
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Posted 08/19/2016   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Timm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To Continue the Saga:
Apparently I have been ripped off. Under the advise of BidStart I sent the remaining balance via PayPal directly to Bayside Stamp Company for the items the bad BidStart/PayPal link wouldn't accept.

Well No surprise. Bayside Stamps has not replied to 10+ attempts via BidStart messaging or via emailing them direct. I tried calling them several times but they never answered their phone.

I contacted BidStart but got no replies.

I contacted BidStart inquiring if the 9 item limit problem still exists... No Reply.

I contacted PayPal and they say they don't have a 9 item limit and never had one.


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Posted 08/19/2016   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uboatnut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TIMM:

email Bidstart owner Mark Rosenberg directly at mark@hipstamp.com

I've never had much luck using Bidstart's messaging system; don't even know if the seller even got the messages. ebay's message system is only slightly better.

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Posted 08/20/2016   11:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 91stang to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I tried bidstart for a month--zero activity--zero sales--and yes didn't like the whole paying for selling my stamps..heck on the FEE-Bay I get 500 free a month in sales--the send me emails all the time--come back come back--nah--
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Posted 08/25/2016   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Timm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Problem solved. I filed two claims through PayPal and finally got full refunds.
I still do not know if the Bidstart/Paypal 9 item purchase limit still exists as I got no reply from either company.

I liked BidStart. I made hundreds of purchases through them. But now I am not so sure.

I am reluctant to use BidStart again because I don't want to repeated this nightmare again.
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