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Why Ebay And Not Bidstart ?

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Posted 08/20/2016   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add SomebodySmart to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The fees at BidStart seem to be lower, so why ebay and not Bidstart?

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Posted 08/20/2016   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One word. Exposure.
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Posted 08/20/2016   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gee .. exposure on SCF Sales should beat ebay given the active membership on SCF.... but I could be wrong.
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Posted 08/20/2016   7:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
???
ebay has 162 million users, 25 million sellers, grossed $82 Billion (total sold) in 2015, has 800 million items currently listed, and gets 11 million searches per hour.
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Posted 08/20/2016   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
please... put more lots up on bidstart, they rarely have anything for me
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Posted 08/20/2016   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With a store, ebay is cheaper than bidStart or Delcampe.

BidStart will not be around forever as Mark is more concerned about Hipstamp He will not be doing much on bidStart other than keeping it going, no improvements or upgrades.

Time will tell what happens to it.
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Posted 08/20/2016   8:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay so ebay has a lot of other stuff, but in their stamp listing what is the "exposure". If I was an ebay seller I would consider all the other stuff potential diversion from my listing, not complimentary.
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Posted 08/20/2016   9:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sellers list on ebay because that's where the buyers are. Buyers go to ebay because that's where the sellers are.
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Posted 08/20/2016   9:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are simply far more items listed on ebay than on bidStart. While I have made a few purchases on bidStart, most of my searches for specific items come up empty on bidStart ... not so on ebay. When this happens over & over, a buyer will start looking at ebay first. And eventually (as I did), start ignoring bidStart.
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Posted 08/20/2016   9:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You do have to remember bidStart went through almost 2 years of nothing. My guess is it will go to never never land in the not to distant future
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Posted 08/20/2016   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 91stang to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yeah I feel the same--bidstart will be the same for another two years--delcampe well if you sell overseas that's for you. they threatened me about non payment for my store after I quit, told them 'lawyer'-wont be back--
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Posted 08/21/2016   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bidstart does not have a good enough volume of sales rate to make it worth the time to list on there, purely not good enough worlwide exposure to find enough buyers. ebay is much better to sell on I have sold a Buy it now on ebay within 1 minute of it being active. That would never happen on bidstart. On ebay I get returning buyers week after week for auctions. And new buyers all the time. On bidstart you might sell one item all week.
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Posted 08/21/2016   06:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DJCMHOH to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess my take would be why ebay not Delcampe? ebay may have the larger exposure, but it seems like half the people involved are either frauds out to sell crap stamps at inflated prices or fraudulent customers out to scam honest sellers. Delcampe seems to be more targeted to actual philatelists and other collectors of memorabilia, and the owners appear to take fraud quite seriously when they are notified about it. I find its interface easy to use, and it is international in exposure making it not only easy to compare prices and find best deals, but also find items that may not be so easily available in the North American market.

Personally I have started an auction store on Delcampe (only has one item atm) but testing the waters to see how it goes.
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Posted 08/21/2016   06:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does not the low quality items, fraudulent behaviors, and greed simply follow the volume? In other words, these issues are on ebay not due to some inherent ebay attribute but rather exist there because that is where most the sellers/buyers are located. If another online auction site were to surpass ebay popularity then I assume these issues would quickly follow.
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Posted 08/21/2016   07:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add duncanvr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ebay currently is and has been the number 1 place for selling and buying stamps for years. Forget Delcampe, bidstart and other sites they just don't equal ebay. I agree with Don fraudulent behaviors and greed simply follow the volume. With 162 million users there's bound to be a few dishonest sellers & buyers among the main stream of good ones but any other site who could ever hope one day to match ebay could expect the same behaviors patterns to follow. ebay is simply the best.
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Posted 08/21/2016   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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eBay currently is and has been the number 1 place for selling and buying stamps for years. Forget Delcampe, bidStart and other sites they just don't equal ebay. I agree with Don fraudulent behaviors and greed simply follow the volume. With 162 million users there's bound to be a few dishonest sellers & buyers among the main stream of good ones but any other site who could ever hope one day to match ebay could expect the same behaviors patterns to follow. ebay is simply the best.


Not so fast! Although ebay is the dominant site that attracts the most potential buyers, it has many flaws, some self-imposed. For starters, ebay has no clue about the needs of sellers of small lightweight items like stamps. Discounts for Top Rated Sellers are available, but requirements include tracked domestic shipping, a very expensive proposition. Currently a First Class Package costs $2.45 compared to 47 cents for a First Class letter. This means that less expensive stamps are less likely to be offered by sellers who care about their reputation. The Final Value Fee for stamps was reduced to 6% by ebay in part due to competitive pressure and perhaps the realization that most ebay stamp sellers would not qualify as Top Rated Sellers.

Fraud on ebay was a significant problem, especially in the early days when a number of sellers were buying stamps, altering them and then reselling them under a different ebay ID. Active intervention by the American Philatelic Society was required and for a period of time ebay had a program to have questionable listings vetted by trusted experts. More recent reports suggest that the program is no longer active.

Oddly enough, the Top Rated Seller program may have achieved what Delcampe and BidStart have failed to do: eliminate or reduce the vast quantity of low priced items clogging the site. This is compounded by what seems to be a weak search on Delcampe and a rather opaque search on BidStart. Neither site seems to have mastered the ability to present the most interesting or valuable items first in search. As a result, sellers who take the time to create accurate listings with good images find their work buried and virtually unfindable.

While ebay hold the high ground, almost everyone in the stamp business is hoping that a viable competitor will emerge. Larger volume sellers have started their own web sites but with mixed success. While ebay supports international business fairly well, the Global Shipping Program presents an existential threat if it becomes a requirement. Currently it is less expensive to send a first class letter to Canada or Europe than it is to mail a First Class Package in the United States.

As long as ebay continues to allow a few high volume sellers to offer inadequately described or misdescribed stamps a big opportunity will exist for a viable competitor to emerge. However, lack of an API for automation may deter some sellers from switching. While Hipstamp may emerge as a competitor, it lacks support for SixBit and other third party tools that allow sellers operate efficiently and avoid slow clunky web sites provided by ebay and competitive sites.

While the ebay site is annoying to sellers, it is also hard to use for buyers. Searches are slow and often inaccurate. Gratuitous slow loading ads often cause search pages to freeze, delaying navigation. Worse, there is talk at ebay of presenting "personalized" search results. Does this mean that buyers won't be able to view the stamps they want to see no matter what they do?

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