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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 03/13/2019   03:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sc# 673a 1929 20pa on 1g Inverted Surcharge. CV $4
Vignette : The Legendary Blacksmith, and his Grey Wolf.

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Grey Wolf legend
The wolf symbolizes honor and is also considered the mother of most Turkic peoples. Asena is the name of one of the ten sons who were given birth by a mythical wolf in Turkic mythology.

The legend tells of a young boy who survived a raid on his village. A she-wolf finds the injured child and nurses him back to health. He subsequently impregnates the wolf which then gives birth to ten half-wolf, half-human boys. One of these, Ashina, becomes their leader and establishes the Ashina clan which ruled the Göktürks and other Turkic nomadic empires. The wolf, pregnant with the boy's offspring, escaped her enemies by crossing the Western Sea to a cave near to the Qocho mountains, one of the cities of the Tocharians. The first Turks subsequently migrated to the Altai regions, where they are known as expert in ironworkers, as the Scythians are also known to have been.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/13/2019 03:23 am
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Took 5 years to complete this page.
1927 Steiner Page 40.

CV : Set never hinged $650, Used and/or Mint hinged $155

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Posted 03/13/2019   04:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tebrikler Rod!!
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tesekkür ederim Michael.
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Need help about a TURKISH cancel ,where is a city of DER ALYE ,this is 1865 cancel , was this part of Constantinople . Is it a old spelling for DER ALIYE .
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Posted 03/19/2019   01:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Floortrader,
cannot assist much, a bit beyond my knowledge.
Looks indeed like Istanbul, but I have no idea what it means.
What I can see with a cursory search.

Michael may be give you a deeper meaning.

No listings at all for DER ALYE


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I looked into this name the last time it came up in a postmark context.

"Deraliye" or "Der Aliye" was another name for Istanbul or specifically for the Ottoman Government.

It's named for a grand gateway, the "Bab-i Ali", or "Sublime Porte" as it was known by western diplomats.

"Der Aliye" is a variant of the Turkish "Bab-i Ali" but using the word "der" for gate instead of "bab".

I understand "der" comes from Persian and I think "bab" is from Arabic so probably just a matter of style.
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Here's the Wikipedia entry for Sublime Porte which shows the two grand gateways which have had this name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublime_Porte
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Nigel,


My first encounter with a synecdochic metonym.
Wiki assisted with an example well known to me "all hands on deck"

Thanks a bunch.

Still yet to see an image of an Der Aliye Postmark
I don't believe our catalogue show one (only the negative seals)

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Hi Rod,

I believe it says "deraliye" in Ottoman Turkish at the top of postmark numbers 23 & 24 on page 24, C&W Part 3.

These both have STAMBOUL at the bottom.

I guess in a bilingual postmark, it would make sense to use another name such as Stamboul when one was available in French for use at the bottom.
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I surrender.
Cannot locate this fellow anywhere.
Tried Greece, Epirus, Thrace, Mount Athos......

Over to the experts.
(Sc#153 1909 Type A21)
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Greek Occupation - Mytilene / Lesbos - N58
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Thank you.
I had them (Under Post offices in the Levant : Greece)
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The DER ALYE cancel from 1865,this cancel was used in the Turkish year 1281 .
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Type AR3
depending on the inner box size 13mm x 10mm or 12mm x 9mm
I make it C&W #17 or #18

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