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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 01/01/2022   09:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Also the number in the lower segment, does not seem to be a "4"
but a "1??"



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In this postmark there is the same number in the semicircle above the date (in arabic) and in the semicircle below the date (in latin). I think the number is 17 as that seems to be the number in arabic.
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Posted 01/01/2022   09:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Aha! nice one,
With types 107 and 108
the number matched in each language, upper and lower.

So perhaps this is a Branch office in Istanbul.
I need to get the script read.

Oh! my goodness, what was I thinking
Boy, that is my clanger for the day.
Man! I cannot believe I did that.

Thanks Kuikka.
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Edited by rod222 - 01/01/2022 09:24 am
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Posted 01/01/2022   09:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Undecided.
Cannot call, the design matches, with most idiosyncrasies
Most importantly, the value figures are accurate.
I don't like the colour, the washy impression.
Maybe it is my inexperience speaking.
But there you have it.

The surcharge is accurate.

The 39th pearl looks like it was oblong, has the top cut off
that line meanders across and down the stamp to the bottom coloured crescent.

There are two curved lines in the bottom coloured crescent ?

I do not have enough examples myself, to suggest anything else.


Regarding of the oblong pearl, are you talking about stamp A or stamp B? Also, where does the counting start from?

Regarding the second curved line in the second stamp (B), I think it is not two lines, but due to printing technique there appears to be a lighter color shadow. I think I see it in some other places as well, when viewing it through microscope.

Thank you for giving your opinion. I understand that you cannot make your mind on these stamps. That is fine, too. On using any advice, the responsibility is always mine.
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Posted 01/01/2022   09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp B, stamp A was too busy to detect much.

I start at the pearl at the top, directly above the point of the star. (Pearl 1)
48 Pearls, so just do a count back.
I love to hear a professional opinion on that stamp.
If it is a forgery, It is a dangerous one.


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Edited by rod222 - 01/01/2022 09:36 am
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Posted 01/01/2022   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much again. I would also like to hear also other opinions of these stamps, although I am also happy to go with your opinions.

Next are Scott J7, Michel P6 stamps. Both have perf 12½.


Sc J7 Mi P6 A:



Sc J7 Mi P6 B: (appears to be MH)
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Posted 01/01/2022   11:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kuikka,
Yours looks genuine, afford me some time, I am trying to locate your Postmark

Postmaster
found the rascal !
Tobias on Facebook suggested Birken to be the best Postmark Catalogue available, I saw the Isfila Catalogues (10 Volumes) going for near $1000.
Thanks to Bobby de La Rue, Sumatra pdf reader has Birken up and going
Now all I have to do is translate Birken's Code.

Apparently Coles and Walker is vastly out of date.

Progress: 2 steps forward, one step back.

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Edited by rod222 - 01/01/2022 11:32 pm
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Posted 01/02/2022   12:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Didn't even think of looking at Birken. Good find!
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Posted 01/02/2022   12:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Thank you again. I'll wait.
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Posted 01/02/2022   04:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kuikka,
Both genuine, still concerned about colour, I am thinking perhaps your scanner settings.

The Postmark example shows a genuine dot of colour, top right frame
The other stamp, shows dots of colour outside the bottom right hand frame.

To clarify the catalogue hierachy, and the 1865 issues as shown in my image.
Up to 1908 Istanbul was an intendancy (sehir emaneti) separated from the normal provincial administration. The vilayet was formed in 1909
(Birken)

Postage Due Postmark

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Edited by rod222 - 01/02/2022 04:33 am
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Posted 01/02/2022   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much again. It is possible that the scanner settings are not optimal.

What is the significance of the color dots?

Here is the next one.

Perf 12½

Scott J8, Michel P7


#Sc J8 Mi P7 A:
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Posted 01/02/2022   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What is the significance of the color dots?


Philatelists Passer and Birken, had opportunity to study, full sheets, or part thereof, for inspection.
idiosyncrasies of each impression of a stamp in that sheet, could be noted, and used in "plating" individual stamps.
In other words Tying a stamp to a plate position.

Both the dots and the frame dots/lines appeared in certain plates
(Plate V) from memory.
Other things like the distortion of the Pearls, was caused by
insufficient placement of the metal.

As I have no idea how the dies were made, I can only remain ignorant till I find appropriate literature.

These idiosyncrasies can go towards proof of authenticity.

Two steps forward, one back

An advanced state here on Scott J12
a block of colour, completely outside the frame lines.
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Edited by rod222 - 01/02/2022 9:38 pm
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Posted 01/03/2022   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kuikka,
Stamp appears Genuine
Isfila Stamp 32 1865
Possibly from Plate 5 "lower frame broken left"
(Rather a nice stamp)

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Posted 01/03/2022   3:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuikka to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for sharing again your (and your books) knowledge on these stamps.

Nice coincidence, The next stamp I wanted to present is Scott J12 Michel PI, Perf 12½


#Sc J12 Mi PI A:
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Posted 01/04/2022   12:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kuikka,
I am going to have to hold off for the moment
I am not happy with #Sc J8 Mi P7 A:

I'll try to get some assistance on Facebook.

Basically there are 3 types of "iki Gurus" (2 piastre) overprints1865 Type 1 and type 1a
Then there is the 1867

Your stamp has what I think is Type 1 (RRR on a 2 piastre blue)
Stamp 26

Now your stamp (stamp 32) has the type 1
Isfila reads as type 1a
Page 152

Probably an easy explanation, but has me discombobulated.
Be back when / if I get assistance.
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Posted 01/06/2022   9:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Update:
20 members of ONEPS have viewed the Postage Due...No response.

We are on our own.
Last chance, I'll write to ISFILA in Turkey.
I'll post any results.

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