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The Stamps Of Turkey / Turkiye: On Steiner Pages.

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Posted 10/24/2017   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

I think that unknown is a cinderella from the Balmumcu Yoksullara Yardim Cemiyeti, which appears to be an aid society for the poor in the Balmumcu area of Istanbul.

As to value, I found similar stamps (though not that exact one) for sale on some Turkish auction sites for the equivalent of about AUS$1-2 each.
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Posted 10/24/2017   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
(Don: I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry or both??)

With regards to the recent question about the B24:

There's this site called 'StampSmarter' - which reviews listings about stamps & auctions & things?? It's pretty cool!

You might want to check out that seller - and that stamp! (Seems someone had something to say about it?!?)

Good grief...maybe time to get my own box of sharp pins?!

It's been over 2 years - and the guy is still trying to sell the same stamp - and still hasn't corrected the listing??

Can't recall - and listing link seems to show the latest attempt - but my recollection is that the original asking price was like $200??
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Posted 10/24/2017   7:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The first stamp has an overprint rather than a postmark and is Syrian Arab Kingdom SG K87 from 1920.


Goodness me, of course it is.
As soon as I read your reply, I recalled seeing it prior.

Thanks Nigel, appreciated, and for the news on the charity.


Quote:
I think that unknown is a cinderella from the Balmumcu Yoksullara Yardim Cemiyeti, which appears to be an aid society for the poor in the Balmumcu area of Istanbul.

As to value, I found similar stamps (though not that exact one) for sale on some Turkish auction sites for the equivalent of about AUS$1-2 each.


Hi Postmaster,
was not expecting a reply from your good self. Wow. Impressed you follow our Turkey thread.
Thank you very much for your research and price advice. Very much welcomed.

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Posted 10/24/2017   7:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Michael,

Quote:
There's this site called 'StampSmarter' - which reviews listings about stamps & auctions & things?? It's pretty cool!

You might want to check out that seller - and that stamp! (Seems someone had something to say about it?!?)


I had a sixth sense something was up, my first meeting with this stamp was on a strange site, was for sale, no vendors name, nothing, I searched the site details, and it was looking like it was coming from China.

Then I found the better scan on ebay, which evidenced the mis ID.

qtmsshop.xyz

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Posted 10/24/2017   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

For the record : Curiosity.
Page of stamps currently on ebay.

What looks like to me Sc#96 (Arms and Tughra of El Gazi )
which should be shades of Pink.

Black.

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Posted 10/24/2017   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod, This is the postage due version.
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Posted 10/24/2017   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Hi Rod, This is the postage due version.


Yikes..not doing well lately.
(Stayed up all night Sunday with a North American auction) I don't think I have recovered.

Hmm, Good CV, page is currently 80c, I'll pop in a bid.

Thanks Nigel.


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Posted 10/24/2017   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,


Quote:
Hi Postmaster,
was not expecting a reply from your good self. Wow. Impressed you follow our Turkey thread.
Thank you very much for your research and price advice. Very much welcomed.


Well, you did pay me a really nice compliment back on page 3 of this thread!

But in all seriousness, I have certain skills when it comes to the Internet. So, when I'm bored at work, I sometimes troll the threads looking for questions in need of answers which might be found somewhere in the deep dark recesses of the Internet.
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Posted 10/24/2017   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
But in all seriousness, I have certain skills when it comes to the Internet. So, when I'm bored at work, I sometimes troll the threads looking for questions in need of answers which might be found somewhere in the deep dark recesses of the Internet.


...and we are all the better for it. Thanks.

ONEPS has recommended the following latest bibliography, from the German, Dr. Andreas Birken.

I have ordered (a manageable 15 € each ) and will offer a "road test" as seen through the eyes of a newbie , as myself, when they arrive.

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Posted 10/24/2017   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Let me know if you need help with any translation. I'm not fluent, but I can read a good bit of German.
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Posted 10/25/2017   12:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Postmaster.
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Turkey / Romania.

Danube and Black Sea Railroad.
DBSR

I have covered these prior, in this thread.
Some more examples, with my suggestions.

This I believe, to be a genuine stamp : (The troubling evidence, is the faint line extension, left leg of "R" in DBSR)



2nd Reprint. Imperforate.



3rd Reprint.




Author : Mr. Blair Stannard. Canada

Below is more background information about
these stamps courtesy of S. Ringstrom / H.E. Tesler
"The Private Ship Letter Stamps of the World Part 2"
which is recommended tor those for whom this has
served as an appetizer:

In 1864, the DBSR Company (Danube and Black Sea
Railway Kustendje Harbour Company Limited, DBSR
in short) was founded; in fact it was a private post
called "Local Post." It was the link between the two
cities and the Austrian maritime company Lloyd.

The post came by ship from Constantinople to
Constanta, it was taken by railway to Cernavoda
and then to the destinations, by a ship belonging
to DDJG.

In 1867 this Local Post - that functioned for four
years - minted a stamp marked with ink and
sometimes with the sign "Kustendje" of the Lloyd
Agency. Such stamps of the DBSR Company are
extremely rare and a letter with such a stamp on it
is considered "the greatest rarity in Romanian
philately."

The stamp issued by DBSR had jagged edges,
small measurements 18.5 x 22.25 mm, the minting
was made by lithography on colored paper with
a value of "20 paras."


As you can see in the blown up picture, the stamp
is marked in the lower right - DBSR,
up - LOCAL POST,
left - KUSTENDJE & CZERNAVODA and
down - 20 PARAS.

Starting with the lower right corner, the stamp depicts
the Black Sea, a big ship, some smaller vessels and
a train with a locomotive puffing smoke, then some
mountains and above the landscape, the Ottoman
symbol - a star and a moon - sign of sovereignty.

This is the only graphic representation of the old
railway that we have been able to discover.

These stamps were printed in black on many shades
of green, blue, orange, pink and yellow paper. There
were 4 printings of these stamps. I believe the
greyish blue one on was from the first printing, and
the others are from subsequent printings.

example of a blue paper issue shown here
http://www.romaniastamps.com/local/dbsr4.jpg


Genuine stamps

Colours: yellowish green paper or faded to a greyish-blue shade

1. There is no extension to the bottom of the left leg of R in DBSR
3. Faint vertical shading on engine wheels
5. Faint rays from star, 5 at right and 2-3 at left
6. The right vertical and bottom horizontal lines of
each corner square are thickened
7. There are small corner guide lines about 1 mm from each corner
of the design
10. The outline of the left white mountain in the upper range is not
joined to that of the dark mountain to its left 1. There is an
extension (a line) from the foot of the R to frame

1st reprint

Colours: Several shades of green and in blue, pink and yellow

3. Shading on train wheels almost missing
5. Rays fainter or invisible
6. There is no difference in thickness of corner square lines
7. The corner angles are present

2nd reprint

1. Extension to the bottom of the left leg of R in DBSR
3. No vertical shading on train wheels
5. Strengthened rays, 5 at each side
6. Lines as 1st reprint, slight evidence of strengthening
7. The corner angles are present

3rd reprint

Colours: Green, blue, orange, pink and yellow

1. The extension to the bottom of the left leg of R in DBSR
is faint or non-existent
3. No shading, wheels distorted
5. No rays, only fragments of line
6. The right and bottom lines of each corner square are a
little thicker than the other lines
7. No corner angles

Forgeries: Please see a great article at :
http://www.romaniastamps.com/local/dbsr.htm

For a very interesting history of this railway and post,
I also highly recommend the article at :
http://www.cfr.ro/JF/engleza/2000_6...timonies.htm

Blair
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Posted 10/26/2017   04:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Continuing the discussion from page 41 - on unlisted imperf sheets.

As no pictures in Scott, motivating me to do some scans so folks know what to keep an eye out for! (And Rod - cut it out with the pins already - starting to hurt!)

Referred to in note following #3045 - for the 100th anniversary of one of the big Istanbul soccer teams - Fenerbahce:




Wildly undervalued in Scott note. Only 15,000 printed. (Sold out rapidly - as does anything/everything related to the top soccer teams!) Quick look at ebay shows only 1 entire portfolio for sale - for $78 - over 500% of Scott 'value' estimate! (And one of the lower prices I've seen over the years!)
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Posted 10/26/2017   06:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice, Michael !
I have very little of Modern Turkey.
Saved.

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To illustrate your comments on issuance varieties, I support your claim by showing the latest by Australia Post.

They print out "specials" (only 200) , ask for $99, then you go in a registered "lucky dip".
If you win a lot, then you pay up within 5 days

Everybody else loses.
Welcome to the modern "Rip Off"

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Posted 10/26/2017   06:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Unknown : Red Crescent.
A ball park price, would be most welcome.

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Posted 10/26/2017   07:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

This is a nice-looking stamp.

Michel lists it as an obligatory tax forerunner from 1911-12: Mi 1, valued at 30 marks mint, 15 marks used in 1998/99.

I'm afraid I don't have a more recent catalogue!

This is one of a set of six different designs.

It's also listed in McDonald.
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