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Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Europa 1985 (Would be) Sc# 169B Unpriced full sheet (mentioned, not listed) Contains 4 x Sc#169A Composers : Handel, Bach, Scarlatti, and Buhurizade.  |
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I am having trouble with "Stampforgeries.com" and the 1888 25Pi I would welcome comments please. The Sperati forgery looks genuine to me, apart from the colour  depending on where that scan came from, the print (design) looks genuine, perhaps an Essay ? Looks like, and did exist as P11.5 The 1888 rose on pale rose 1888?  |
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| Edited by rod222 - 07/31/2018 03:54 am |
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The one on the right is not only the wrong color, but the wrong paper, and most importantly, does not have the background design.
(You should have this in your classic catalog...)
You can see this nicely with the stamp on the left - which has an inverted background. Notice the large white strip at the top of the stamp - this is supposed to be underneath the 'Emp Ottoman' part of the stamp...
But yes - the stamp was also issued w/perf 11.5 as well as 13.25... |
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Opinion: Stamp on the left is 1876 not 1888 (1888 25pi is red/yellow) Isfila # 108 Part of an tete-beche pair Isfila # 108BE122 (CV 700TL)
Stamp on the Right unknown, I cannot see Sperati making such an accurate print. I think the print part is genuine, but the paper (or the scan ) is the oddity.
I am going with the stamp on the Right as Isfila # Bb12 (25pi essay without background) 450 TL
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Sc#3721 2011 10 gurush Scarlet Firethorn.  Makes a fabulous hedge................... Fruit inedible when raw, Jams and Marmalades are made.  |
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| Edited by rod222 - 07/31/2018 06:20 am |
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Quote: Opinion: Stamp on the left is 1876 not 1888 (1888 25pi is red/yellow) Isfila # 108 Agreed...oversight/typo on the website? Quote: Part of an tete-beche pair Isfila # 108BE122 (CV 700TL) ?? How did you come up with that?? No evidence that I can see suggests this?? Quote: Stamp on the Right unknown, I cannot see Sperati making such an accurate print. I think the print part is genuine, but the paper (or the scan ) is the oddity.
I am going with the stamp on the Right as Isfila # Bb12 (25pi essay without background) 450 TL Well that's a big stretch. Bb12 is imperforate & printed on thick/cardboard-type paper. The picture doesn't show that... |
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Quote: ?? How did you come up with that?? No evidence that I can see suggests this??
Quote: Well that's a big stretch. Indeed, but I remain convinced the print is genuine, it is the scan at question here, the shade does not suggest any paper I have seen. Bb12 is the closest sibling. Opinion: 1. Sperati did not have the correct font for "EMP OTTOMAN" 2. No forger I have seen has been able to copy the unique shape of the "2" |
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| Edited by rod222 - 07/31/2018 2:09 pm |
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Consider the change in colour of the (Perf 11.5) Item, 108 BE123 It is not exactly like the stamp forgeries image, but it is heading that way. I could see an essay or a stamp heading that way after handling /storage abuse, or a change of paper.  |
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Love how you mix discussions of classic 1870 stamps with random new officials...really keeps things interesting....
It's an interesting theory. I can see where you're getting it - (glad you're finally looking at your new catalog!!) - but I'm not buying it just yet - either one.
The 2nd one - that the 25pi pictured is Bb12 - scan aside - you haven't offered any evidence. To say that Bb12 is the closest match - does not mean much. But I'll look at this one more closely...
The 1st one - that the single stamp printed is a single of an original tete-beche pair - is more interesting. But again, you're evidence doesn't seem sufficient:
Yes - in the catalog - there are pictures of tete-beche pairs where ONE stamp has an inverted background. What it seems that you're saying is that EVERY inverted background was originally part of a tete-beche pair? That's a big conclusion to draw - no??
Look at 128ES07 & 128ES89. (As well as 126ES07 & 126 ES89) These show that examples exist where the top stamp did NOT have an inverted background.
I've seen inverted backgrounds on single stamps. There is nothing - and certainly not colors - that can tell us what - if anything - was ever attached to it. Right??
(Not clear about your color comment - you're showing the tete-beche pair colors to make a point about the forgery item??)
(For those confused by all the strange numbers, they are from the Isfila specialized catalog...sorry! Rod's posted some nice scans...) |
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Hi Rod,
This one's from the 1958 set.
This set also included 1k emerald & red, 5k bright blue & red, 5k dark blue & red, and 10k light green values.
The 10k is horizontal showing the heads of a child and a nurse.
The 3k, 5k and 10k also exist on buff paper.
The design of the 3k was used again in 1959 for a 5k stamp when there were just two values: 5k violet-blue & red, and 10k orange & red.
I guess this 1959 10k stamp was again horizontal but this isn't made clear in my McDonald catalogue.
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Quote: This one's from the 1958 set. This set also included 1k emerald & red, 5k bright blue & red, 5k dark blue & red, and 10k light green values.
Fabulous Nigel, thanks. I was sure I had a link for later issues, but dashed if I could find it. Someone ,somewhere must be cataloguing these later issues........ 1976 Image from the internet.  |
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I really like the baroque music sheet from Turkish Cyprus.  I started reading the names of the baroque composers and expected: Handel, Bach, Scarlatti, and BuxtehudeI had to read it again to see that no, it was actually: Handel, Bach, Scarlatti, and BuhurizadeBuhurizade is a completely new name to me. He seems to have been quite an artist: composer, teacer, poet, gardener and calligrapher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buhur...Mustafa_Itri |
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