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Qeii Sg1083 Error Of Colour?

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Posted 11/14/2016   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jony78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all..

Bottom stamp ,Irish flag and above stamp compared to top stamp?

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Posted 11/14/2016   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the bottom stamp has faded quite a bit. The reds are not as bright in the bottom one. That may be why the orange in the Irish flag is yellow.

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Posted 11/15/2016   02:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oddly enough, the colours I expect to fade - red, blue - haven't faded. Jony, can you get us a slightly better scan or picture?
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Posted 11/15/2016   06:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jony78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi...thanks for replies,I will upload a scan tonight gb time..photo taken under led light but much brighter in daylight and both very similar
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Posted 11/15/2016   07:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tim, the picture is pretty poor, that with the shiny background. But on my monitor the red is clearly faded quite a bit. Look especially at the Norwegian flag. And I agree, the blue does look normal on both. Could it be that the red was somewhat under inked instead of faded?

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Posted 11/15/2016   07:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The original image is being influenced by the ambient LED light color spectrum; all bets are off in determining the actual colors. If the stamps can be scanned (with lid closed) we should be better able to offer opinions.
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Posted 11/15/2016   2:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jony78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
as requested...proper scans this time on standard settings,lid closed





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Posted 11/15/2016   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Much better image, thank you. I lean towards a color changling but hopefully someone more knowledgeable will weigh in.
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Posted 11/15/2016   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jony78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks Don,
the reds appear really patchy in the scans but in daylight most colours look identical especially the blues which I thought maybe would fade first
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Posted 11/15/2016   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am just leery of used stamps when it comes to these kinds of things; especially if this is an previously unknown color shift.
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Posted 11/15/2016   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My guess is that there has been over-zealous soaking when removing from paper. There is "speckling" in the colors and as the stamps were printed on phosphorised paper the soaking off paper could have lifted some of the inks.
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Posted 11/15/2016   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The reds in particular seem to be affected, although it is strangely uniform. Scotzm is a much, much better authority than I am on modern British stamps.
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Posted 11/16/2016   08:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a blow-up of a normal mint stamp. As you see, "solid" colors don't exist due to the printing process in use. I'd say water damage contributed to the state of the stamp posted by jony78 as this kind of "error" is almost never seen except in used condition stamps.

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Posted 11/16/2016   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jenny2U to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm the first one to yell "color fade!". But this one has me stumped. Why the very selective fade in just two stripes?
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Posted 11/16/2016   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scotzm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now I see what jony78 meant... my eyes are not good enough to distinguish the colors in question i.e. the two flag stripes. I bumped up the magnification of a normal stamp and now I can see what is meant.
The 9p stamps were printed using grey-black, vermilion, cinnamon, pale greenish-yellow, pale turquoise-green, dull ultramarine.

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Posted 11/16/2016   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ringo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Orange is made from red and yellow. If the red is faded for some reason, the orange becomes more yellowy.
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