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Posted 12/05/2017   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aussie Al to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Closer Look

I see some ink
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Australia
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Posted 12/05/2017   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The left stamp has a larger white area on front of plane thoughts anyone (I don't see any thinning etc)


If it be scuffing, or face detachment, would not a UV lamp, indicate this ?

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Posted 12/05/2017   6:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Frank

I would like to correct some information I gave you which I have now found to be incorrect.


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The photo is definitely a true 1930 production specimen and the dot is not a speck of foreign material, as the photo has been enlarged the dot will look out of place (If it were not a true production specimen Arthur Gray would have mentioned it on the card he created to house the photo in), I have added the card mount showing Gray's information and personal rubber stamp.

The marking which I assumed to be a booklet dot was indeed a fleck of foreign matter.

The photo itself is a very scarce, original 1930 image belonging to the Department of the Interior.
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Edited by Rob041256 - 12/05/2017 6:28 pm
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Posted 12/05/2017   6:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have started taking copies of any images I can find on the internet. Also, if any other readers have copy of this stamf - SG115 or Scott Carpenter - with the inter-stamp dots, perhaps you could post an image for us to examine.

Rod:
I found an image of a booklet pane. The image was far from good but it looked as if only one row of stamps had dots.

All the dots I have seen look pretty equal in diameter. In your images, the dot above the S in the photograph is Obote twice the size of those on the stamps or at least to much to be accounted for by their different sizes.

You probably have enough to trump me on this one, but I haven't seen anything in ACSC to suggest two long wing varieties in a pane. I read there description as, "there is one example of the variety in Position 2 on one pane in the sheet."

Frank.
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Posted 12/05/2017   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Frank

Received the answers to your questions.

Ques. Is it in a fixed place, or does it move around depending where in the sheet it is printed?
Ans. It is fixed near the centre, if the paper slips or shrinks it may end up being situated off its intended placement.

Ques. And how was the dot added to the plates? As part of the die or manually added after the die impressions?
Ans. It was added to the Master Plate so therefore all the dots will be in a fixed position on the paper.
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Edited by Rob041256 - 12/05/2017 6:35 pm
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Posted 12/05/2017   6:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have started taking copies of any images I can find on the internet. Also, if any other readers have copy of this stamp - SG115 or Scott Carpenter - with the inter-stamp dots, perhaps you could post an image for us to examine.

Rob:
I found an image of a booklet pane. The image was far from good but it looked as if only one row of stamps had dots.

All the dots I have seen look pretty equal in diameter. In your images, the dot above the S in the photograph is Obote twice the size of those on the stamps or at least too much to be accounted for by their different sizes.

You probably have enough to trump me on this one, but I haven't seen anything in ACSC to suggest two long wing varieties in a pane. I read there description as, "there is one example of the variety in Position 2 on one pane in the sheet."

Frank.
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Posted 12/05/2017   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add itma to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rob:

Your latest great came in as I was trying to post my previous. I used the Quick Reply angel. When I pressed the Submit Reply button it greyed out but the message wouldn't go so I had to move everything across to the Full Answer panel. That's not happened to me before.

Anyway, it all makes a great story.

Frank.
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Posted 12/05/2017   7:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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All the dots I have seen look pretty equal in diameter. In your images, the dot above the S in the photograph is Obote twice the size of those on the stamps or at least too much to be accounted for by their different sizes.

You probably have enough to trump me on this one, but I haven't seen anything in ACSC to suggest two long wing varieties in a pane. I read there description as, "there is one example of the variety in Position 2 on one pane in the sheet."

In my last post I mentioned that I made a mistake in stating that the photograph was of the booklet version, it was, as you so accurately suspected may have been caused by some foreign material.

Here is a copy of the page where it mentions one pane having two of the extended wing varieties, and that the variety can be found in the Type A pane, both wrong.


ACSC 2014. Page 5/14. Section 5


Rob
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Edited by Rob041256 - 12/05/2017 7:12 pm
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Posted 12/05/2017   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rob,

Your ACSC extract says "2 in pane" which I read as position 2 in the pane, i.e only one stamp in the pane shows the variety.

This parallels "1,3,4 in pane" for 136e which relates to positions 1, 3, and 4 (i.e. three stamps in the pane have similar hairline varieties).
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Posted 12/05/2017   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Your ACSC extract says "2 in pane" which I read as position 2 in the pane, i.e only one stamp in the pane shows the variety.

This parallels "1,3,4 in pane" for 136e which relates to positions 1, 3, and 4 (i.e. three stamps in the pane have similar hairline varieties).

The pre-decimal specialist explained that it referred to 2 extended wing varieties in one pane, and that the ACSC even got it wrong with the pane type.

Some of the information from ACSC can leave one bemused. I forgot to ask about the hairline variety, will find out later today.

CORRECTION: I was given incorrect information about the booklet issues. Pane A is the pane with the variety, not Pane B as earlier mentioned. The correct information is the variety can only be found in Pane A, and not all panes will have that very scarce variety.
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Edited by Rob041256 - 12/06/2017 01:08 am
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Posted 12/05/2017   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aussie Al to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If it be scuffing, or face detachment, would not a UV lamp, indicate this ?


Rod I try to keep clear of my UV light because it doesn't mix with my Lupus.
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Posted 12/05/2017   8:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right then. Thanks Al.

......time to sell the lamp to me then.

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Posted 12/06/2017   01:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The vertical hairlines (roller flaws) in Pane A are normally found closer to where the staple of the booklet is, when the booklet was made little care was used causing the roller flaws to occur.
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Edited by Rob041256 - 12/06/2017 5:30 pm
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Posted 12/06/2017   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cover not mine.
US etiquette perhaps.

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Edited by rod222 - 12/06/2017 5:13 pm
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Posted 12/06/2017   5:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice airmail cover you have there Rod, with both the first commemorative and the first airmail stamps attached.

Rob
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