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Penalty For Private Use Cover With Misplaced Notice

 
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Posted 01/20/2017   12:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add oldguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is sort of an unusual placement of a "Penalty For Private Use" notice. Does it make the stamped envelop a Pre-Cancel?


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Posted 01/20/2017   08:24 am  Show Profile Check paperhistory's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paperhistory to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not really. These show up on obsolete, demonetized, or otherwise returned stamped envelopes that could still be re-used as envelopes. Similar penalty overprints can be found on other stationery.
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Posted 01/20/2017   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought a collection of these. Whoever created the collection seemed to put some kind of catalog numbers on them. Perhaps there is a catalog for them. There were an array of stamped envelopes which received the marking making them useful only for official business (in this case of the Post Office Department or POD). I bet there are very few who actively collect these today, though I am always open to acquiring more, especially those that show they were issued in Minnesota.
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Posted 01/20/2017   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, if there is a return address that is blacked out, does that mean the government/post office purchased the envelope for its own use?
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Posted 01/20/2017   1:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The latest edition of the Penalty Overprinted Stamped Envelopes, Wrappers and Postal Cards of the United States and Possessions was published in 2016. See http://www.upss.org/code/publications.php
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Posted 01/20/2017   1:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
". . . some kind of catalog numbers on them. Perhaps there is a catalog for them."

According to the catalog referenced above, the overprint in the OP is of type XIe.
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Posted 01/20/2017   1:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"So, if there is a return address that is blacked out, does that mean the government/post office purchased the envelope for its own use?"

The government didn't purchase them, per se. Excess stocks were overprinted for government internal use, blanking out any return addresses on them.
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Posted 01/20/2017   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the explanation.
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I believe that in many instances, these envelopes with the blacked out corner card and the Penalty imprint were made from Special Request Envelopes which had been ordered by a customer but which were returned because the Post Office Dept made an error when printing his name and return address.

Since the customer did not want them, the Post Office Dept simply used them rather than discarding the envelopes. Something of a "recycling" effort.
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Posted 01/20/2017   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Recycling the returned envelope makes sense, too. With regards to the original question, if the envelope was used by the government/ post office, would it have been cancelled?
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Posted 01/21/2017   08:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ThomasGalloway to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"if the envelope was used by the government/ post office, would it have been cancelled?"

All of the used penalty overprints in my collection have normal cancellation markings (i.e., as if mailed by a non-government customer).
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Posted 01/21/2017   3:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kelump to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, again!
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