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Posted 01/26/2017   08:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dudley to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So sometime between February and September 2014 someone took a beautiful large-margined fault-free certified #9 pair and cut it into two singles, one with a tight right margin and the other graded at 85. I personally find this practice despicable. Has the advent of numerical grading driven an increase in this practice, one wonders?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/37184868324...RK:MEBIDX:IT
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Posted 01/26/2017   12:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And in the case of this one, the bottom margin is too close for the stamp to have had any chance at being graded in the upper echelon anyway. An even weirder scenario almost, than where one winds up with a grade 95 or better stamp after the whacking.

When I sold my 1c collection a long time ago, I held back a rare strip of three stamps, one of which has a crease. Since it was one of two known vertical centerline strips from plate 3 (I did sell the other), I figured it would get chopped if I sold it. So I've just kept it, and have no plans to part with it. Its not really a grading issue with it, but a related issue where, in a multiple, some stamps may get cut off since they are damaged. I figure that whenever I decide to part with that item, its days are numbered. Its not going anywhere for now.
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Posted 01/26/2017   1:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would love to see a photo of your centerline strip.



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Posted 01/26/2017   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
alub - sure, I'll try to post it at some point. It takes me awhile to scan stuff and my time is limited, but I'd be happy to post it. It is a very neat item.
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Posted 01/26/2017   7:32 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think your Plate 3 item would survive for quite a long time. You just need to sell it to the right person. No self-respecting 1c collector would ever cut it up.
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Posted 01/26/2017   7:48 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I look forward to seing the strip too. What are the positions?
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Posted 01/26/2017   9:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A HUGE increase in such events since grading started. And on far scarcer items then this one.
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Posted 01/27/2017   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Positions are 70-80-90L3.

I don't want to hijack dudley's thread anymore, so when I get to scanning this, I'll start a new thread.

on topic - I do feel that grading accelerated chopping up multiples, but it has been going on forever with or without grading.
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Posted 01/27/2017   5:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
FAR fewer multiples were broken up in the decades before grading. Certainly there were some, the idea itself is not new.
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Posted 01/27/2017   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Check out Downeast's latest auction for several examples of this, starting with Lot 9.

http://www.destamps.com/main.htm
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Posted 01/27/2017   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They have often had revenues that were the leftovers as well.
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Posted 02/05/2017   8:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If a seller (typically a dealer) can make more money selling a pair as two separate stamps, they often do it. It's a business, right? That's too bad since this destroys the pair forever. I wonder if dealers give it much thought? Or do they just get out the scissors and snip away? I'd be a little reluctant. On the other hand, this dealer (who I've dealt with but can say little positive about) has just done what many other dealers have.

As to whether grading has increased the practice of cutting up pairs (as well as blocks and sheets), who knows? Remember C3, the famous "upside down 24c airplane stamp," originated as a sheet which then got cut into singles (and a block or two). As a business decision, that was the smart thing to do. This has been going on for years.
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Posted 02/06/2017   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jkelley01938 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have anything "graded" in my collections. In the situation here, do we know if NobleSpirit was the culprit? If so, there should be a place on the web where such vendors are listed. Much like Swedish Tiger's listing of vendors who sell fakes.

Jack Kelley
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Posted 02/06/2017   10:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The thing I don't understand about breaking up multiples / strips.






As far as I can see in this strip the grade can't really be improved for the center stamp, whatever the mythical grade would be.
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Posted 02/06/2017   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jack, we do not know if the deed was done by NobleSpirit or prior to their acquisition of the item. But it gives one pause...
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Posted 04/13/2017   3:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not my favorite dealer, I'll say.
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