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Need Help: 1995 32c Pink Rose W. No Die Cuts?

 
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Posted 03/05/2017   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bookbndrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Found this in my U.S. accumulation. I remember finding it in kiloware from a Catholic charity mix I processed back in the late '90s.

Does Scott list this stamp with no die cuts? Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.


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Posted 03/05/2017   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 2492g, but I can not find any reference to a no-die cut stamp. The stamp is listed in the PNC catalog, but not the imperforate variety.

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Posted 03/05/2017   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bookbndrbob, is this a booklet stamp? I have checked the PNC3 Values List for 2017 ( not yet published, will be available in April ) and it is not listed as a coil. I do not know about a booklet stamp.

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Posted 03/05/2017   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter, my 2016 Scott lists a 2492c (horiz. imperf pair) as well as 2492h (vert. pair imperf between). It also lists 2492i (booklet pane of 20 with 6 pairs of 2492h due to miscutting) and 2492j (booklet pane of 16 with 2 pairs of 2492h).
But I'm not sure that these appear in the 2017 catalog. I seem to recall not seeing 2492g in the newer edition. But then my memory tends to be faulty.
John
Added: 2492g is the coil ... 2492a (pane of 20) and 2492f (pane of 16) are booklet panes. There were a couple of other booklet panes of different sizes as well. Since the stamp does not have a plate number, it may not be possible to determine which pane it came from.
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Posted 03/05/2017   9:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter, this is a booklet stamp. I strongly doubt that it has been tampered with. I soaked it off the envelope clipping, so what you see is a clean, used stamp. Some of the booklet lettering is left on the bottom edge. There is a scissors cut below and extending into "1995".
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Posted 03/05/2017   9:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are four die cuts, one on each side. The stamps were cut to squares and sold in (as previously mentioned) pressure sensitive stamp style booklets.
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Edited by smauggie - 03/05/2017 9:38 pm
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Posted 03/05/2017   10:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bookbndrbob, it seems to be an unreported error. Maybe you could send an Email to Linn's?


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I'm going to throw out a SWAG here and say that this was cut from the cover of the booklet and glued to the envelope by the sender to grab a freebie. A look at the bottom reveals booklet cover directions which advise to fold over to protect the stamps once purchased. not an error but an attempt to pass a cover photo as legit postage. jmo
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Posted 03/06/2017   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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this was cut from the cover of the booklet and glued to the envelope

I don't recall the words below the rose ever appearing on a booklet cover. But they do appear on the peel-away strips between the stamps.
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JLLebbert is correct. The wording below the stamp does not appear on the cover. Also the illustration of the stamp on the cover is much larger.

This stamp most likely came from the convertible booklet of 20, Scott 2492a. Based on the lettering below the stamp, it is the middle stamp in the sixth row. The full pane is illustrated on the PNC3 web site here:
https://pnc3.org/booklets/data/1995...kRose-cb.php

The other Scott listed booklet panes of 14, 15, and 16 were used by MDI industries to assemble vending machine booklets of 15 and 30. Typically those panes had the strips between booklet sections removed so the panes could be folded. It's possible but not likely that an imperf pane found its way into an MDI booklet.
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Posted 03/06/2017   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the information guys.

After reading the posts, my first thought was that perhaps someone was"playing games" and maybe this item is a photocopy. Such is not the case. This is definitely a genuine booklet stamp. The dot raster patterns of the green and black colors are exactly what they should be. The front side responds to Raytech short wave UV light with a yellow green glow. I cannot photograph this with my iPhone. It flashes because of the low light level.

A miscut pair would have to be huge for this to be a single cut/torn away from it, would it not?
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Edited by bookbndrbob - 03/06/2017 6:32 pm
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Posted 03/06/2017   10:20 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you confirm there is no blind die cutting? I have a full pane of 20 where the horiz die cutting is blind (very light impression).
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Posted 03/07/2017   12:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I took several photos with my iPhone using a 10x macro attachment with a high intensity desk lamp to magnify any surface irregularities such as cut impressions. I cannot detect any die cut impressions. The macro lens has distorted the vertical cut lines. Also, the original mailer's scissors cut is much more visible, and is a little longer than I remembered it being.



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Edited by bookbndrbob - 03/07/2017 12:55 am
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oops! did some fact check & find that the cover photo is much too large for cut out & the fold over instructions were (are) on the little strips. next time I will check further. my bad.
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