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Posted 03/23/2017   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ecmorgan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First and foremost I apologize for what will likely be a lengthy post.

Quick background: I've spent my life, until recently, in journalism, working as a reporter, editor, and eventually publisher of daily and weekly newspapers and spending some time in PR and digital marketing. I am now, at 47, embarking on my second career as a teacher. I started collecting at around 8 or 9, was active through my teens and fell away when I joined the US Coast Guard. I picked it back up about 20 years ago, when my post-USCG career stabilized. I consider myself an advancedish collector.

One of the challenges of the hobby, in my view, is we keep viewing it through an increasingly archaic and limiting lens. For many people, stamp collecting is clubs, stamp shows, and buying from Linn's classifieds.

Is this how people ranging from youth to even into their 40s approach anything anymore?

My first question then, is always, what is a stamp collector? Then of course, what is an advanced collector.

About 2 years ago, I was working with a fairly severely autistic child and he wanted to show me his stamp collection. He fired up the iPad and showed me scan after scan. That was his collection. His mom said he'd buy the stamps, scan them, then toss them.

Is he a collector? Most of us would say yes, but I have been told by some no.

Related. How do we connect with kids. I think we do it by time. Everybody wants to turn to social media and youtube. This is where we need to have the information the kids want but what makes the impression, even today, is time.

The Lord blessed me with three girls. And a wife. And two female cats. The fish was probably a girl before it decided the pressure was too much and flung itself from the tank. Blessed.

All 3 girls have at least some interest in stamp collecting. It varies but what's important isn't the collecting. Rather it is that I take their collections seriously and invest time in them. One is rather serious. At the Nashville stamp show this weekend, she bought an $11 set and started talking about creating an exhibit. That seems pretty serious for an 8-year old.

Here she is debating on whether to spend half her stamp money on one set:




It's about time.

Now this year, something odd happened. I didn't renew a number of memberships including APS. Here's the thing - that failure to renew, and I have various reasons, has no bearing on whether or not I'm a stamp collector. I'm more active than I've ever been.


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For me, the big takeaway is that the APS should be focusing on catching the 30-50 year old collector. As others have said, youth is important, but we need to bridge that gap from the kids to the old heads.


Seems logical, but long-term membership growth is a sales funnel not unlike an advertising or even a subscription sales model. You have to have something to turn into the 30-50 year-old collector, who can then turn into the 50-65 year-old collector.


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If the APS is composed of mostly advanced collectors, maybe a way to increase membership would be to turn those beginners and intermediate collectors into advanced collectors.


Exactly. Build that funnel and move collectors along the funnel. That will grow the organization, but not necessarily the hobby, though it should stand to reason that if you grow the largest organization, the hobby will follow.

One caveat. I still don't buy that the hobby is actually shrinking. When I was last a newspaper publisher, our paid print circulation had fallen off considerably but our readership, via means not traditionally a part of journalism, was much larger than ever.

Has the hobby actually become smaller, or has the way people approach the hobby, buy stamps, store stamps, etc., changed in such a disruptive manner that we can't accurately track who is and is not a stamp collector? And if we could, how many would fail to meet our current definition of what exactly is a stamp collector?
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Posted 03/24/2017   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"I consider myself an advanced collector......" Can you elaborate? Unless I missed something, when I skimmed the lengthy and valuable report, I don't think I saw a definition of an "advanced collector."

I have an idea for myself as an advanced collector, but would like to hear your thoughts. And speaking "of thoughts," thanks for the thoughtful post. And, before I forget it, cute kid.
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Posted 03/24/2017   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ecmorgan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They mention in this thread more than once that APS is made up of many advanced collectors.

I'm not sure what an advanced collector is, per se. I tend to view it more as a level of seriousness in your pursuit. It is hard to define, isn't it.

And thank you - she's one of the twins (8-years-old). I'd love to say she takes after me, but I'm not fooling anyone.
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Posted 03/25/2017   11:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I never saw a definition, either, but in many ways, I'm a beginner, intermediate and advanced collector, all in one. I collect the entire world with a heavy emphasis on the German area. I'd consider myself an advanced collector for Germany as large swaths of my German collection are very nearly complete (as listed by Scott). Most of my collecting budget goes toward my German collection and I spend most of my time shopping for stamps from the German area, and I consider myself reasonably knowledgeable in the area (though far from an expert). Now, some German specialists might put me in the intermediate or even beginner category, as I don't collect plate varieties or postal history, etc, but I digress. For most of the rest of Europe (and colonies) I would consider myself an intermediate collector. My collection is far less complete, I'm much less knowledgeable about them and I spend far less acquiring stamps from those areas. For most of the rest of the world, I'm a beginner as I have few stamps, I know little about their stamps, and most of the stamps are acquired only incidentally.
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Posted 03/26/2017   06:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After every survey, you realize there is a need for another survey due to what is learned in survey and improvements to the survey itself.
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Posted 03/26/2017   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For me, an "advanced collector" is one who not only collects individual stamps, but also identifies and collects varieties. These would include, but not be limited to, different perforations, shades, paper types, cancels, "errors" of the type identified by so-called "flyspecking," "cinderellas" and labels, a bit of postal history & stationary, and so on. The early Portuguese colonies, starting with the 1914-26 Ceres issues, and going back from there, are a wealth of varieties of all kinds. Most of them are not expensive either. P. colonials are probably my main specialty area.

Elsewhere, I've been getting into Mexico, Poland, and a little into British East Africa. Like ArtfulHinger, I'm probably a beginner in some areas of the world, but slowly pruning things down so I can have a better focus on the chosen specialty areas.

I like an approach where every stamp is different in some way, even if it has the same Scott number. The P. colonials, and early Mexico with all the district overprints, offer this sort of attraction.
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Posted 03/26/2017   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add adcaplan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An advanced collector goes beyond collecting what is in the Scott catalog. I once got very frustrated when I went to a show because they had a dealer who professed to specialize in Israel stamps. I asked to see his back of the book material, and he said, why, there are only a handful of airmail and postage due issues. I told him he was using the wrong book. There is tons of back of the book material. Revenues, phosphor varieties, gum varieties, various printing dates of the definitive issues, etc. He looked at me like I was crazy. He must be a specialized dealer for basic material.
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Posted 03/26/2017   12:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
'Advanced collector' to me is someone who invests significant time learning one of any of the aspects of philately and some amount of money in material.

In other words… the 'advanced' part means the person has spent time learning about one or more aspects of philately. It might be a particular stamp, a particular type of country, a printing process, postal history, cancels, etc.

The 'collector' part means the person has spent some amount of money acquiring material (you cannot be considered a collector unless you have collected material). The amount of money spent can be any amount.
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Posted 03/28/2017   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add snowy_12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
51Studebaker wrote,
'Advanced collector' to me is someone who invests significant time learning one of any of the aspects of philately and some amount of money in material.

Personally I think the latter applies more than the former,as any collector with deep pockets can purchase top quality material for their collections that us common folk could never afford to buy.
I still enjoy collecting even though my only income is the state pension.
I may be advanced in knowledge,but not in high quality material.
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Posted 03/29/2017   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ecmorgan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Based on this conversation, is there much of a distance between a specialist collector and an advanced collector?
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Posted 03/29/2017   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TheArtfulHinger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think a specialist is a subset of the advanced collector. Others may have the opinion that only specialists should be considered advanced. Either way, it's mostly an argument of semantics. It's not like any special privileges or benefits come with being a member of the "advanced" group.
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Posted 03/30/2017   07:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I hope someone does not take the definitions too literally when making decisions.

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