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Posted 03/24/2017   12:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add StampHack to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The first two stamps I beileve are from Ukraine in exile. The first feels like wax paper, the second is on a rice paper and the third I thing is a stamp from Danzig but I'm not sure. It also appears to be a very low quality stamp it terms of image. Are these collectable? what would the value be for each.

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Posted 03/24/2017   02:30 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These - especially the Ukrainian stamps - used to be staples of every schoolgirl/boy collection, so no value, sadly.
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Posted 03/24/2017   03:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Everything is collectible,
Tread your own path, if you like it, collect it.




See...you have the one I am missing.
(Yours does not look genuine, however)

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Posted 03/24/2017   03:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The danzig stamp is most probably is okay. The stamps from this series/period can often been seen in this condition. I believe the term is overinked(sorry if I am wrong, my English is far from perfect). So one can find nice crisp printed stamps and more blurry ones. Concerning its value: I am afraid not much. try to collect used Danzig, more difficult. But be aware a lot of cto out there, it takes experience to collect used Danzig. Kind regards, Johan.
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Posted 03/24/2017   03:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks Johan.

Stamphack: Are you able to post a larger image for us, of the Danzig issue?
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Posted 03/24/2017   06:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A picture from my collection. 4 stamps of the series(with cto I know) Compared to the other stamps the 2 mark stamp has no white line on the body of the plane and no white line surrounding Freie Stadt Danzig. It could also indicate a specific problem with this color.

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Posted 03/24/2017   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 03/24/2017   3:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampHack to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will re scan the stamp from Danzig tonight and repost..
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Posted 03/24/2017   6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to forgeries expert Varro Tyler, the 1918 20-shaviv Ukrainian peasant stamp was heavily forged for the packet trade. In "focus on Forgeries" page 297, Mr. Tyler says of the forgeries "The peasant's mustache tapers downward at an angle and its end touches the thick line of shading forming the lower jaw. The white centers of the stylized leaves at the four corners of the central oval are not uniform in size. The one in the lower right hand corner leaf is much larger than the one at lower left." So, both your copies, rod22's, and mine are all genuine. Perhaps another SCF member can show us the forgery of this stamp?

As for the Danzig stamp (either Michel #69 or #115, depending on the watermark) it always seems to be a blurry, murky-looking stamp. That ink color must have given "fits" to the printers. The other values in the set can be sloppy, but this color in particular was a problem (Michel #s 69, 115, and 118, the 20 mk. value).
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Posted 03/24/2017   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StampHack to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I really like this website so much knowledge here...

New scan of Danzig stamp... I will need to find my old bottle of watermark fluid and tray now..

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Posted 03/24/2017   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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New scan of Danzig stamp...


Wow!

That's some bad boy stamp you have there
Saved for my records.

I had the webbing wmk issue




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So, both your copies, rod22's, and mine are all genuine.


Thanks for the info, Bob.

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Posted 03/24/2017   9:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

PS : Stamphack.

With your Ukraine, you may wish to soak in water for a few minutes,
dab dry
Place face up on a freezer bag, and a clean page of copy paper on top
and place the "sandwich" between the pages of a book.
1-2 days they will look pristine, flat as a Halibut, but you will lose any gum.

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Posted 03/24/2017   9:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to BkbndrBob, we can isolate the interpreter (Forgery)

Genuine (sheet)



Forgery
Apart from the moustache, the hairs on the Ears of Wheat, on the blade of the axe, differ remarkedly.

Just noted, as advised by Bob, the "bud" or hole, in the centre of the bottom leaves, vary strikingly.

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Edited by rod222 - 03/24/2017 9:49 pm
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Posted 03/24/2017   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks rod. As forgeries go, this one looks to be a pretty close approximation of the original.

From "Focus on Forgeries" Varro Tyler further states "Only a single type of forgery exists for this stamp...The producer is unknown..."
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Posted 03/25/2017   02:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers Bob.


Quote:
on the blade of the axe,


Make that...Scythe.


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Posted 03/25/2017   10:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 91stang to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nice stuff-excellent pictures
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