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Assistance Needed To Identify A Perfin

 
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Posted 04/02/2017   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add captainmister to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I cannot make out a pattern here to identify this perfin. Any assistance on who it belongs to would be appreciated. FYI, the pane is a 632a.


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Posted 04/02/2017   06:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What country?
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Posted 04/02/2017   09:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add captainmister to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 04/02/2017   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Different perfins on right and left vertical rows? And they look more like symbols than letters..
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Posted 04/02/2017   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1. The left hand puncture differs from the right hand (unusual)
2. try isolating two adjacent punctures by scanning just these, or use a magnifying glass
Where you see blind punctures use a paint program to indicate the punctures that are now visible.

Use a program to rotate, and flip the images to see if any form takes shape,
(I can see a "W")

It may be just a design not a PERFIN per se (ie not Initials)
Consider a design from the production of the stamp
(In this case a Philatelic exhibition)

If all this fails, take it on the chin and set aside.

I have an Australian King George V blind puncture I have been working on,
(without success as well)

Later, I'll try and match the puncture positions with other Australian Perfins I have in my database.

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Posted 04/02/2017   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually the left and right hand holes share of number that line up exactly as shown here in red



I am not sure that I have ever seen a US perfin booklet, trying to perfin a bunch of booklet panes sounds time consuming and costly.

The holes do not seem uniform, they are rough and inconsistent.

Since the holes share the some of the same pattern, yet there is such a delta between the two sides, I am left scratching my head on this one.

Here is the ebay listing on this pane
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-cent-fran...22448940507?

Don

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Posted 04/02/2017   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm making several assumptions here, but here's a shot.

I merged the left and right patterns under the assumption they're the same perfin.



Then I filled in the blind punctures.



I then flipped the image to view the design from the front.



Then, because the design appears to be an A or M, I filled in where the punctures would be if the design was symmetrical across the vertical axis. This is the result.





I know nothing about US perfins, so that's as much as I can do.
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Posted 04/02/2017   4:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And Rod, that pattern of 5 red dots at the upper left of yours looks like the lower left loop of an ampersand.



The rest of it doesn't match this example, but you might look for an exemplar with an ampersand in the top line.
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Posted 04/02/2017   4:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add captainmister to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is a very interesting assumption by Postmaster GS that the left and right patterns should be merged because they are part of the same design. Looking at his final picture and rotating it 180 degrees, the design looks very similar to that used by Wilson & Co. of Kansas City.





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Posted 04/02/2017   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say that's a distinct possibility. Other than the single perf hole at the bottom corner, it appears to match

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Posted 04/02/2017   10:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Wow! wow! wow!

That is the best collaborative effort, I have witnessed for years.
Bravo! everyone.

Postmaster...you are a Legend. (well, my legend anyhow )

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Posted 04/03/2017   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add captainmister to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your assistance! I looked through some of my other perfins and I discovered another booklet pane with clear Wilson & Co insignias, so we know that company did mark its booklet panes. I'd forgotten how hard it must be to perforate booklets and how likely it would be that all the perforating pins would not go all the way through. This would be particularly true if it was a thick booklet, which this particular pane could have been part of (up to 16 panes, plus interleaving and covers). Brilliant insight to overlay the various designs!
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