2 Argentine Republic Seals- Narrow" C" Or Broad "C"?

Hello to all,
I have 2 questions that I am requesting assistance.
Are the 5 & 10 Centavos Argentine Republica Seals in the photographs are both considered narrow "C"? There is no accent on the "U." of Republica for either of the stamps. So it rules out that both would not be considered 1862's. They must be either 1863 or 1864.
I am trying to determine which year they were printed including the color of the 5 centavos. ( apparently it makes a difference- between rose, rose red, carmine rose and lilac rose.)
The 10 centavos comes in two colors : green (1862) which definitely is not that stamp since it does not have the accent. The other is yellow green (1863). The (1864) only has a 5 Centavos with the different rose color varieties with the narrow "C" and no accent on the "U". I believe with the 5 centavos is in the 1864 category.
With the photograph below, is it the Yellow green 10 centavos considered a narrow "C" or a broad "C"? Both stamps look narrow, in my opinion. Both "C"stamps look thinner than the next letter "E" in "CENTAVOS"
There is no Scott number for a yellow green 10 centavos, narrow "C". So the 10 Centavos an unusual stamp or is it considered a (1863) 7F as a yellow green?

Can someone help me please determine which Scott year and number these two stamps may be? Any assistance would truly be appreciated.
Thank you in advance.

Lioness2 hi: Firstly the stamps you show are forgeries.They are the narrow c types.Below the wide c types:

Perf12, with all due respect, why are they forgeries? Please give us a reason why.


Peter

Yes. please do inform me why you feel they are forgeries?. This came from a very old stamp book from turn of the century. They have the 78 pearls around the circle

Yours also appear to have the accent on the "U" which are the 1862's

https://goscf.com/t/21629 - note quality of the printing on the forgeries posted in this thread; especially the leaves around the central part of stamp. Compare to the ones that perf12 posted.

Don

Edit:
From Album weeds - Rev. R.B Earee.

Perf.12, please do inform to help determine for others to see. The ones I am showing apparently are 1863 or 1864. A year later than the 1862's without the accent on the "U" and the "C" are narrow.

The narrow c exists only in red.The printing is mediocre & in the green stamp the 10 is way to high.Below the narrow c red.Forgeries in old collections abound.

I do see the difference of the leaves from perf 12. Thank you for showing the differences, perf.12.
Another yucky forgeries. I can't stand them when I get them out of books. Have to double check everything. Must be careful. I am glad I came in here to ask about them.
Thank you all for your responses. Truly appreciate your forum so much! At least now to be aware what truly suppose to look like!
T

There reprints and there are forgeries of these issues and the best way to determine them is with the lines in the shield and the number of pearls around the circle .

The most perfect forgery by Sperati;



and the real one:only through detecting line differences and tiny details can one tell them apart..

A seller on Delcampe has this lot for sale ; sold as Forgeries.They are quit common everywhere.I've seen some unknowing buyers bid on stuff like this thinking it was the real Mc-coy..
FALSOS REPUBLICA ARGENTINA LOTE DE 20 SELLOS ANTIGUOS FALSCH ESCUDITOS

From my collection -----all the info. you need .

Thank you so much Floor trader and perf. 12! Where the stamps was placed was not in the specific part of the page in the book, it was outside of the category lines with dates specifications. Now, I understand why the previous owner placed them there in that specific spot on the page. Another clue figured out. I have specifically double check all the ones like he placed other stamps similar positions like this. So far, his other stamps on pages have been genuine.