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Help With ID Of Martyr A47 20c Huang Hsing

 
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Posted 05/14/2017   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jonathan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Vertical characters on this stamp look like those of Scott ROC 1913-1919. However, I cannot match this particular design with later Martyr overprint descriptions. Comments welcome. Thanks for looking!


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Posted 05/14/2017   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Sinkiang overprint, and it does not appear to be listed in Scott. The overprint looks incredibly suspicious -- the overprint is not only crooked, but the characters are out of alignment (even compensating for the slant, they are still out of alignment), and the overprint ink appears to be the same as the cancel ink.
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Posted 05/15/2017   12:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll also add that the font is not like any of the fonts for the overprints shown in Scott. I'm afraid my China is archived in storage, so I can't look it up to compare to what I have.
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Posted 05/15/2017   12:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jonathan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@khj Thank you for the input! This stamp is becoming very interesting. Any suggestions where to get more info?
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Posted 05/15/2017   04:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The only Sinkiang Opts I have.........

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Posted 05/15/2017   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, the top left stamp in your picture is Meng Chiang (Inner Mongolia) 2N127(1945) in the Back-of-the-Book section for Republic of China in the Scott catalog.

In the Meng Chiang overprint, the top right and top left characters indicate Meng Chiang.

In the Sinkiang overprints the right 2 characters (for horizontal overprints) and the top 2 characters (for vertical overprints) indicate Sinkiang.
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Edited by khj - 05/15/2017 11:56 am
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Posted 05/15/2017   11:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jonathan, the difference in font, the ink, the appearance that it is a single handstamp... suggests that it might be a local overprint. I am not knowledgeable enough to know if local overprints existed for that issue/time, nor do I have any references that might have that info. Sorry. Hopefully one of the China experts can chime in...
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Posted 05/15/2017   2:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jonathan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@khj Thanks for the insight thus far. I appreciate it.

@rod222 nice ones! I have few of those except for the top left 2N127 described by khj.
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Posted 05/15/2017   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Rod, the top left stamp in your picture is Meng Chiang (Inner Mongolia) 2N127(1945) in the Back-of-the-Book section for Republic of China in the Scott catalog.




Super...Thanks khj !
Great knowledge of a difficult discipline.

Update...............khj

I had the stamp in 2 locations on my computer
I had previously identified it, maybe 7 years ago
but had never returned

I was using SG then, had it under China (Japanese Occupation)

Now with Scott
I'll put under North China (Meng Chiang)

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Posted 05/18/2017   05:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I need to learn to count again. It's past the editing time-out, so I can't correct the original post regarding the location of the Sinkiang overprint characters. The sentence:


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In the Sinkiang overprints the right 2 characters (for horizontal overprints) and the top 2 characters (for vertical overprints) indicate Sinkiang.


should read:

In the Sinkiang overprints the 2nd and 3rd characters from the right (for horizontal overprints) and the 2nd and 3rd characters from the top (for vertical overprints) indicate Sinkiang Province. It is abbreviated "Sin Province" in accordance to the traditional 1-character abbreviation.
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