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Posted 07/06/2017   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add our_elephant to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is a cover from Belgium used in 1935 , it would be helpful if you can share the known details regarding this cover.
Why was the cover used without stamp? was it used by government body?



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Posted 07/06/2017   12:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems to be official mail. Too bad we can not read the cancellation.
Sorry, forgot to mention that yes, the "postdienst" is official. In English speaking countries it would be referred to as the post office.


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Posted 07/06/2017   2:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don, thank you, but on my computer I still can not read it. I believe I see the word "postal" but that is it!


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Posted 07/06/2017   2:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Peter.. you have to use your imagination!
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Posted 07/06/2017   2:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the pm you can read the usual "Brussels / Bruxelles" from the Belgian capital. I guess, it came from the Belgian PO Money Order Office. Official mail within a publicity cover.
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Posted 07/06/2017   10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add our_elephant to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help, I have tried to take a close photograph of the cancellation but that too is not clear.. There was an enclosed bill inside the cover, looks like an account statement.
Is it a postal cheque cover?



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Hi Peter. A better philatelic term for what this cover is would be that it is franked with a "meter stamp" rather than being "stampless". Meters have been in use for a long time and are typically machine printed markings that indicate that postage was paid so that actual postage stamps are not needed. Meters allow for a large number of letters and cards to have their postage applied very quickly and without having to glue a stamp on each one. Normally the philatelic term "stampless" applies to letters that were mailed before stamps were created for a particular country which in most cases would be before the middle 1800s. Such stampless letters often have handwritten markings to indicate the price of the service or small rubber stamped markings.
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Hi Kimo, and thank you for the explanation. Having said this, I was not the OP who called it a stampless cover, but the one who called it an official cover. But I am sure you are correct about the meter cancellation - even though I can not tell what it says the overall shape seems to affirm it.

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Thanks, Peter, my mistake. You are correct that it appears to be an official cover franked with a meter.
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Got a bit confused.. correct me if I am wrong, the meter franking will be having amount paid, I am attaching here with some meter cuts.. all of them have indication of amount paid..



In this particular cover from Belgium it is having only date/place cancellation given from the post office..

I am also adding another stamp less official cover ..


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Correct, but the post office does not have to show an amount paid. If they would have to pay themselves would that not be sort of ridiculous?

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The cover was mailed from the Brussels Office des Chèques (Money Order Office). The postmark has duplicate language, French and Dutch.

The circular cancels say "Bruxelles-Cheques - Brussel-Checks". The text in the middle is "Propagez --- Virement Postal" and "Bevordert --- Postcheck Unknown"
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Posted 07/11/2017   02:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter is correct, Postmaster. Governments normally do not show amounts paid in their meter stamps. They do keep internal records on how much mail they send for their own internal record keeping.
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