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Cancellation On Rhodesian Stamp

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Posted 08/12/2017   04:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob Roy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this really a cancellation and not overprint? I never saw such cancellation.


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Posted 08/12/2017   06:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not a postal cancel. It's a fiscal/revenue cancel.
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Posted 08/12/2017   07:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So it was used to change the stamp from postal to revenue? The stamp is already declared postage AND revenue.
I guess you mean that when used as revenue, that is the cancellation it got.
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Posted 08/12/2017   09:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, it did not change anything about the stamp. It was used as a revenue stamp like most other British stamps that are both revenue and postal stamps.

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Posted 08/12/2017   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
oh. ok. Thanks.
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Posted 08/12/2017   09:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
I guess you mean that when used as revenue, that is the cancellation it got.

Yes.
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Edited by littleriverphil - 08/12/2017 09:54 am
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Posted 08/12/2017   10:19 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it changes the stamp in terms of the catalogue and of the catalogue value, which is for postal use. A fiscal cancellation means that, in catalogue terms, it's no longer a postage stamp. The value will, therefore, be lower. Except, perhaps, to revenue collectors, of course!
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Posted 08/12/2017   11:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I lack knowledge with respect to revenues. Has it long been a convention and consistent that revenue cancels are of a color different than black and that all/most postal cancels are black? Or are the conventions more country-specific?

In general, are ovoid cancels likely revenue cancels?
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Posted 08/12/2017   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not really. Revenue cancels can be any color, any type you can think of. Even a signature and/or date can invalidate the stamp.

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Posted 08/13/2017   04:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Peter. It's hard to generalize with postal vs. fiscal/revenue cancels. Great Britain and colonies registered mail cancels were oval for a long time.

It helps to be able to read the cancel if you can. For New Zealand for example, "Stamp Office" in a cancel means fiscal/revenue usage even though it may seem to be some kind of postal usage.
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Posted 08/13/2017   05:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thinking out loud: I wonder if "P&W" stands for "Pratt and Whitney" ?


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Posted 08/13/2017   09:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Johan Buvelot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Example of stamps with a signature

Example of 3 postage stamps of Dutch New Guinea with signatures.

Unfortunately only a fragment of a document, but very unusual as revenue stamps were avalaible in New Guinea a that time.




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Posted 08/13/2017   10:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Purple cancels on commonwealth stamps are usually a good indicator of fiscal use. Not sure how common the 6d is with fiscal cancel but this is what makes finding the high values like 10/- and £1 stamps with genuine postal cancels so difficult.
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Posted 08/13/2017   8:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod - you mean it? Where there P&W factories in the 60's?
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Posted 08/13/2017   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Rod - you mean it? Where there P&W factories in the 60's?


Indeed I do.
Stranger things have happened in Philately.
Circa 1935, you need a company significant enough to have a dedicated canceller.
There were no factories, however Pratt and Whitney had service centres globally for their aircraft engines.

It is a huge long shot, but you never know.... Googling......etc

Most of the order went to Southern Rhodesia. A second batch of ... Pratt & Whitney Wasp R-1340 radial engine and served from 1940 up to 1946.
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Posted 08/13/2017   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I googled, maybe not thoroughly enough, and didn't see a connection or mentioning their factories in that area.
But I've learnt enough: A revenue stamp with revenue cancellation.
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