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Please Help To Identify Japanese Revenues & Documents 1890's?

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Posted 01/31/2018   11:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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l did notice that on page 47 there are only 3 columns but none for stamped documents, is it that they are hard to come by?


I think the reason might be that those documents are pretty common and thus there's less market demand. On the contrary, documents with hand engraved revenues often achieve high demand, especially with higher denominations and large multiples.

FYI, the Hasegawa catalogue says that the catalogue value is a sort of index expressing the relative scarceness of the item and not necessarily the actual market value. Indeed, I personally feel that some of the prices shown are pretty not practical and sometimes even insane...

- Hironobu
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Posted 02/01/2018   07:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobu,

Thank you once again for your valued opinion. Now I can start to separate my other revenues which are on rather tatty documents not worthy of a philatelic write up...

Andrew
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Posted 06/03/2018   07:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few more documents which I have recently found amongst my oddment files, I think that they may be registration documents?

The pages of both these documents have been tied together.

Help is sought as to a brief description and date of these documents?

Document A.







Document 2.









Andrew
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Posted 06/06/2018   05:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found a few in an old stock book.



Specialties, I know you guys like to flyspeck.
(This looks also amixture of perf /roulette )

The "S" of Sen looks like it is upside down.

Front

Back


50 Sen.
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Edited by rod222 - 06/06/2018 05:28 am
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On 12/10/2017 agb posted scans of three booklets that Unechan identified as savings deposit books. The third bears three stamps (image reproduced here). I think my stamp in the second scan is the same stamp. Is it? And, if so, is it also technically a revenue stamp?

Eric

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Posted 03/21/2019   10:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion:
Yes, Shunyu Ishi Tax 1924
3 sen Violet ?
Set of 16.
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Posted 03/21/2019   11:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much. We mid-level collectors depend on guys like you.

Eric
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Posted 03/22/2019   01:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Eric,
we all learn from someone else, stand on their shoulders.
Actually, giving advice, knowledge, is also helpful to both parties.

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Posted 04/01/2019   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Eric,

This is, as Rod has already mentioned, Japanese General Revenue, called as "Taisho series", 3 Sen purple from 1924. Listed in Barefoot catalogue (2006) as #85. I reckon your stamp is printed on granite paper, and has a "zig-zag"-ish watermark (known as Taisho watermark).

(note: Hasegawa in his 2016 catalogue mentions the issuance year is 1916; I'm not quire sure which is correct or adequate...)

There is a later issue on white (i.e. without colour fibres) paper and with different watermark (known as Showa watermark), from 1937 (Barefoot #97). This is also listed as "purple" but it is likely to have more pale shades than the 1924 issue, as seen from my examples below.





Hope this helps.

- Hironobu
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Posted 04/01/2019   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Love your work Hironobu.
Would be nice if you could also educate us on the iconography, if possible.
The flowers and leaves on the above?
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Posted 04/02/2019   06:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dear Rod,


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Would be nice if you could also educate us on the iconography, if possible.
The flowers and leaves on the above?


They are "Kiri" (Pawlonia tree, foxglove-tree, or princess tree).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulownia

Kiri tree is pretty popluar in Japan, and is commonly cultivated to produce very light and high quality wood. The beautiful flower bloom during spring, and the tree itself is considered to be somewhat holy and admirable. Thus widely used for emblems, including official (governmental) ones such as the current governmental seal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gover...eal_of_Japan

And it is indeed used in may stamp designs; the leaves and flower buds in the left of center part of this 1/2 Sen cherry blossom stamp (foreign paper, with syllabics) is indeed the design of Kiri.



More obvious and traditional "Kiri" design in this 5 Rin Koban stationery (JSCA #PC11);



And also on Koban stamps as well (sitting above "JAPAN");



- Hironobu
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Edited by unechan - 04/02/2019 06:31 am
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Posted 08/05/2019   10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looking through more of my revenues stamps a few days ago I can across an account book which had the following stamp on the inside of the front cover.



Is it a cinderella stamp, or a company advertising stamp? I am quite sure its not a revenue stamp.

Help sought in identifying the item

Many thanks
Andrew
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