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Please Help To Identify Japanese Revenues & Documents 1890's?

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Posted 12/11/2017   09:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobu,
Thank you very much for your time and contributions.

Andrew,
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Posted 12/11/2017   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobu,

Without your help, these items would still be in my pending file for another twenty years or more!

At last with your help and thanks to the 'Stamp Community' for making this possible these items can be brought to the attention of like minded collectors and novices like myself and for persons who maybe have a slight interest in such material may consider collecting japanese revenue stamps in the future.

Its unfortunate there is a lack of publications or even very little has been published in the English language for collectors to consult and to be able to carry out further research.

Andrew
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Edited by agb - 12/11/2017 11:17 am
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Posted 12/14/2017   06:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Andrew,

Thanks for the additions, which made things pretty clear.


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This says "Diary Note, Taisho 6". The content shown looks like a personal account book, notifying incomes and expences.

Thus it seems pretty plausible that the owner has simply used the silkworm egg wrapper as the cover of his diary. The "nautical mile" stuff is likely to be a sort of memo, having no relevance to the wrapper nor the content of the diary.

I do love the design of the label, as my another hobby is entomology, especially collecting and researching moths (although my wife apparently is not very fond of it )

- Hironobu

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Edited by unechan - 12/14/2017 06:32 am
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Posted 12/14/2017   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobu,

Thanks for your further thoughts on this label, I have just come across another pair of notes books with a custom made wrapper. Unfortunately most of the label as been removed. I will check other markings on the wrapper and if different I will post later.


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I do love the design of the label, as my another hobby is entomology, especially collecting and researching moths


It looks as we also share another hobby.... Just a digital picture of a tray from my entomological cabinet

'British hawk moths' - I am sure you will find interesting, some of these have been collected over 70 years ago.




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Edited by agb - 12/14/2017 12:52 pm
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Posted 12/14/2017   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobu,


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I will check other markings on the wrapper and if different I will post later.



Posting these final wrappers maybe they contain additional information Unfortunately the label on one of the wrappers, someone tried to remove.

I hope they are the correct way up, in not please advise and I will modify.



This wrapper may be related to the others?





Andrew


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Edited by agb - 12/14/2017 3:14 pm
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Posted 12/15/2017   8:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Andrew,


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It looks as we also share another hobby....


Oh my lord, what a coincidence ! I believe we're born to be collectors Nice Sphingidae collection, I just love them all. Please allow me to go a bit off topic, but I cannot resist myself to show a scan from my moth book collection. This is the frontispiece of the book "The Common Moths of England", presumably issued in the beginning of the last century.



Back to topic,


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Posting these final wrappers maybe they contain additional information Unfortunately the label on one of the wrappers, someone tried to remove.

I hope they are the correct way up, in not please advise and I will modify.


It would help my neck if you can rotate it 90 degrees counterclockwise.

The title says "Diary (note) / Taisho 5", and judging from the strokes they should belong to the same owner. The red cachets on the diary note and the other wrapper are identical to the former wrapper.


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This purple cachet could be read as a certificate seal of Silkworm Improvement Association, Minami-Aizu Gun (South Aizu County), Fukushima prefecture.

Thus all of your wrappers do have close relation with the silkworm industry of that area during the beginning of Taisho era.

Thanks for posting those interesting items.

- Hironobu
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Edited by unechan - 12/15/2017 8:16 pm
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Posted 12/16/2017   08:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobu,

Could not resist a final off topic comment.


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"The Common Moths of England", presumably issued in the beginning of the last century


The book is an early printing on the subject, circa 1870's. a nice addition to your moth book collection. I did have a similar item in my library.


Now back to the topic.

Thank you for the detailed analysis of the final two wrappers. I will need to consider the best way to display and write up the wrapper with the label.

Andrew
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Edited by agb - 12/16/2017 09:16 am
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Posted 01/26/2018   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobo,

Could you help in the translation of this postmark/cancel on fragments of documents?

I am sure the revenue stamps are 'Hasegawa' 2016 catalogue page 47 No. 187 – No watermark?





Many thanks

Andrew
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Posted 01/27/2018   10:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Andrew,

The cancellation chop says "Osaka Hygiene Laboratory"; More details to follow.

As for the revenue stamp, it would be No. 187 if it is white paper, and No. 209 if it is granite paper. Judging from the image I reckon it to be No 187, but please check for the paper for confirmation.

- Hironobu

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Edited by unechan - 01/27/2018 10:20 am
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Posted 01/27/2018   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The cancellation chop says "Osaka Hygiene Laboratory"; More details to follow.





- Hironobu
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Posted 01/27/2018   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Hironobu,

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As for the revenue stamp, it would be No. 187 if it is white paper, and No. 209 if it is granite paper. Judging from the image I reckon it to be No 187, but please check for the paper for confirmation.


Yes you are correct, the stamp indeed is no. 187 white paper and no watermark, thanks for giving your opinion. I am slowly coming to terms on how to use the catalogue. The colour photographs are a good visual aid, the Japanese text, I am having to guess, but so far so good.

I would go further and recommend this catalogue by Hasegawa for collectors of Japanese revenue stamps.

One further point in using this catalogue, for example on page 47 stamp No. 183 – reading left to right. There are three columns with prices, am I correct in assuming the following:

1st column – stamp on document etc
2nd column – mint stamp
3rd column – used stamp


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The cancellation chop says "Osaka Hygiene Laboratory";


Interesting chop cancellation and your detailed translation - thank you


Andrew
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Edited by agb - 01/27/2018 1:53 pm
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Posted 01/28/2018   12:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Andrew, I remember the catalogue listing was as such; I will confirm it this Tuesday after returning from my business trip and if possible add some more detail.


- Hironobu
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Posted 01/28/2018   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Hironobu

Here is the page:




Andrew
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Edited by agb - 01/29/2018 12:22 pm
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Posted 01/30/2018   08:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add unechan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Andrew, sorry but I had a poor memory;

- S: Specimen
- black star : Unused
- circle: Used

Rectangle is used for document with stamps for certain issues, such as hand engraved revenues.



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Posted 01/30/2018   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add agb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hironobu,

Thank you for confirming the catalogue details.

I did notice that on page 47 there are only 3 columns but none for stamped documents, is it that they are hard to come by?

Andrew
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Edited by agb - 01/30/2018 11:02 am
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