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How Do You Organize / Label Your "Extra" Stamps In Your Album(S)?

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Posted 11/12/2017   06:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mobilman44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,
This is kind of a continuation of a thread I started some time ago but I felt these questions would better be addressed if done separately............

I have a WW collection thru 1960 in eight Scotts International albums. I've got many hundreds of stamps that don't have a "place" on the printed album pages. I guess I'm somewhat anal, for I don't want to place stamps on pages "just anywhere".

So what I've done is add Scotts quadrille blank pages after each country. I've printed up self adhesive labels and I'm ready to start putting those extra stamps on the blank pages.

But now I'm faced with a couple of problems......
- Do I sort them by type (i.e. definitive, airmail, official, etc), or by year, or ?

- Do I label each stamp (i.e. Scotts number, date, etc.)?

Obviously this is a long term hobby, so I have no idea what stamps I will get in the future, so I need to have placement for them too.

I wonder if I'm just overthinking this...........

Anyway, what do you do?

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Posted 11/12/2017   06:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fairly simple really,
Just have plastic sheet protectors, insert a blank sheet of copy paper,
with the year pencilled at the top.
Pop your stamps in the appropriate place.

If the country is small, just name the sheet, the name of the country.

When the year protector becomes obviously heavy with stamps, print out your Steiner page/s, and mount as required.


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Edited by rod222 - 11/12/2017 06:56 am
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Posted 11/12/2017   06:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jkelley01938 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I usually place my "extra" stamps somewhere on the same page or on the next page.

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Posted 11/12/2017   08:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


The easy answer would be just print up additional pages as it expands .There comes a point that your main collection starts to expand to separate binders for those countries with a lot of extra pages .
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Posted 11/12/2017   08:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, floortrader has a good idea if you think you will go a lot beyond just what's in the album. He actually prints out Steiner pages and puts them in Scott International binders. So you could do that for your 'extra' pages. Can replace the entire country with Steiner pages or you can just use Steiner's various blank quadrille pages that you can label.

BTW, you can also print out Steiner pages on blank International pages in your 'regular' printer by folding the page. I've done this before and you can't hardly tell the page had been folded.

Of course, you could just go 'old school" and put your extra stamps on blank International quadrille pages and label them how you want with a pen
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Posted 11/12/2017   09:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mobilman: you are not overthinking here. I think it matters how one defines "extra stamps." My collections are housed primarily on Scott International pages. What I've done is try and eliminate the International Part 1 pages (1840-1940), where it makes sense, in favor of Scott International blank quadrille pages. I will also use trimmed down Scott specialty pages, when I can get them. Part 1 is simply not comprehensive enough. I do follow the Scott catalog in sequencing my collections (regular issues, semi-postals, airmails, etc.).

As an example, the Part 1 pages for Angola do not come close to housing my collection of that country since I have complete sets of every issue's major numbers, except for Scott numbers 165 and 223, with many minor numbers and other varieties. The blank quadrille pages are essential. I continue with regular International pages from 1941 onward, but still using quadrille pages where needed.

I will note that blank quadrille pages from Subway Stamps (G & K brand) are thicker than those from Scott itself; at least the packages I purchased several years ago. I mount on both sides with hinges, and Showguard mounts for the more valuable or uncommon items; e.g., plate frame breaks, missing numerals, and clear cancels, etc., for the Ceres (1914-26) set. Some might consider such varieties as "extra stamps." I use glassine interleaves between pages.

At this point in time, having used International pages for about 35 years, I have no interest in switching over to Steiner, since I would have to remount many hundreds of pages. There also is the cost of Steiner pages. Since you have started with the pre-printed International pages of both types, my advice is to stay with those pages rather than switching and having to remount.
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Edited by Climber Steve - 11/12/2017 09:44 am
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Posted 11/12/2017   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Steve ,doing much like him . My Scott vol I is more and more Steiner pages because of the same issues as Steve . All the modern stuff is fine in the Internationals .
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Posted 11/12/2017   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I print on to a International Paper HAMMERMILL item 104406 Ivory stock paper ,with a hole puncher adjusted to the Scott International holes . This works fine to mount extra pages .
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Posted 11/12/2017   2:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What do you label those stamps mounted on blank pages? Scott #s, dates, type, or nothing?
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Posted 11/12/2017   3:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris2015 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I usually just label the country name and year range, unless its a special variety.
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Posted 11/12/2017   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mobilman: for the Angola collection, I label each set, in the margin and in pencil, with its Scott numbers and the year(s) of issue. For the Ceres set (1914-1926), I also distinguish between paper types and the perfs.
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Posted 11/12/2017   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have started doing the same as Climber Steve, taking my late Canada Stamps and building my own pages to house the varieties etc that are not in Scott Vol 1 and it makes space for the Scott Album. I use AlbumGen with my EzSt software and do the pages that I wish.....all stamps mounted. Will probably do the same with other Countries of interest (like France). Lots of work but the results are worth it.....so that creates specialized albums, CANADA 1 being my first and includes Provinces for now.

My present project is to inventory 1360 stamps from the WWII collection bought in 1974 by my Father (deceased in 1999) and they will go into a specialized Album (I already have one that accompanied the stamps from H.E. Harris but the pages are "blank".
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Posted 11/12/2017   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Renden: my Newfoundland collection is completely on the blank quadrille pages. There aren't enough Newfie stamps issued after 1940 to warrant keeping those few pre-printed Intl. pages. I have also mounted my early Canada; through the Quebec issue; on quadrille pages. I am using the pre-printed pages from 1912 onward. But I need quadrille pages for items like KG V and KG VI booklet panes and coils; also several 2 or 3 stamp strips of the KG V "cockeyed" king; etc.
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Posted 11/13/2017   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mobilman44 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, so if you are sorting the stamps and mounting them on whatever, would you sort them by type or by date?
And if you are labeling them, would you use Scotts number, or date, or ?
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Posted 11/13/2017   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mobilman: thanks for the question. I'll amplify my answer from yesterday; again using my Angola collection as an example. I do sort by type. Regular issues first, in chronological order & Scott number(s). I use both Scott numbers and dates for the long sets; again the Scott numbers and dates of issues identified in pencil. I still needed a quadrille page in Part !I of Scott (1940-1949). There are spaces for #305-14 from 1948, which is a rather cheap set used. But no space for #314a, the more pricy souvenir sheet. I also have no pre-printed pages for 1966-1974 issues, so will do quadrille pages again for those.

Angola did not issue any semi-postals in the colonial era (1870-1974), so nothing there. Next are the airmails. And here, I did retain the Part 1 page for airmails and postage dues, continuing each on the blank reverse. I'll probably replace this page soon. There are just 6 spaces on the Part 1 page for airs, but the 1938 first set is C1-9, with the World's Fair overprint being an extra. So, need 10 spaces (I have the World's Fair stamp). The postage dues, and first three postal tax stamps, are out of sequence by being on the first back-of-the-book page for Part 1.

Hopefully this makes sense. If not, please say so and I'll try again.

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Posted 11/13/2017   8:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To addressing concerns more directly about your "Big Blue" Scott International album, eight (8) binders means you have a lot of pages. But it's perfectly easy to spread your pages out into a ninth or even a tenth binder if you need to add a lot more pages for your extra stamps. That seems like the simplest solution for too many stamps with too few spaces to mount them in.

The problem you're having is because the (blue) Scott International is an abbreviated version of the original (brown) Scott International album. The "Blue" version omits many less common stamps Scott thought most collectors would not have.

Originally, Scott International pages included all stamps issued by every stamp-issuing country. In the late 19th Century, you could do that in one volume. They're called the "Browns" because of the color of their covers which distinguishes them from the later "Blue" Scott International album we have today. You can sometimes still find Brown International albums on ebay (not usually in very good shape, though).

Since the album originally was hardbound with sewn bindings, you couldn't add pages for new issues. So Scott added new volumes every once in awhile. Each volume began over again with the "A" countries for that era, which is probably why the current Scott International volumes also start over in each volume with the letter "A". Eventually, the first brown album was labeled "Nineteenth Century" when a new "Twentieth Century" second volume was brought out. Later, a third volume was published for the 1920s, so the second volume was labeled 1901-20 (I think those dates are right). A fourth volume was published for the 1930s before the idea of hardbound albums ran out of steam.

At some point in the late 1930s, Scott also started publishing a more abridged version of the Brown album for the general collector and for beginners. It had only spaces for more common stamps. That compared to the Brown albums which had spaces for every stamp. The abridged album was called the Scott International "Junior" album. It covered common stamps from 1840-1940. This is the blue Scott International we have today. "Junior" was eventually dropped from the title.

The Blue album leaves out stamps Scott thought the average collector would not be likely to find. But, many "hard to find" stamps from that era have turned out to be fairly available, after all – and some stamps Scott omitted which are genuinely hard to find can sometimes be found, anyway. But the blue album has no spaces for these stamps. A set of stamps in the "Junior" or "Blue" album is likely to be represented only by the more common low values and omit the harder to find high values. If you buy the whole set, there's no space for the high values. So, collectors with more comprehensive collections get frustrated with the more abridged Blue albums we have today.

By the 1940s, 1950s and later, as Scott published new Blue International volumes for each new decade, it was apparent that, unlike in the earlier years, most stamps were now commonly available. So Scott just included more and more stamps in each new volume without ever changing the first 1840-1940 volume. So, after 1940 (or so) Blue album pages are fairly comprehensive. It's the first volume that covers 1840-1940 that is missing many spaces for stamps.

When Scott stopped publishing the Brown albums, they weren't about to throw away all their old Brown International pages. Instead, those pages became the green Scott Specialty albums. They're much more complete for the 1840-1940 period than the Blue pages, but they're pretty similar (if not identical) after that.

A few years ago, Subway Stamp Shop made a deal with Scott that Subway would reprint the entire older set of 1840-1940 Brown International pages in loose-leaf format on single-sided paper as a kind of luxury album. They call them "Vintage Reproduction" pages.

So if you want completeness you can either buy Scott Specialty albums for all the countries you want, or you can buy Subway's reprint of the "Brown" pages and add them to your Scott International album. You'll need a bunch more binders to hold them.

A less expensive option is to use blank International pages, as you're doing. To keep your stamps as much in chronological order as possible, I'd put blank pages throughout the early years of each country. Eventually, you'll need a few thousand blank pages. They're "about" 50 cents a page the last time I looked, so also not a cheap option. Or you could have a local print shop make you a few thousand pages in a similar color in that same size. Have them hole punch the pages for you.

As for page headings, a print shop can do that for you, or use your own labels. I might handwrite them, myself, since I like albums where the collector has given their collection some personalization.

With blank pages, I'd organize extra stamps by year, not by type of stamp. I've never understood Scott's method of separating stamps by type so that stamps from the same era, with the same style and subject matter, are kept pages apart. I prefer keeping air mails, semi-postals, and other stamps together since they were issued together. This is the approach used in most European albums. It's your collection, though, so arrange them as you prefer. That's none of my business!

If your pre-printed pages have labels, then label the new stamps. If not, then don't. By labeling, I mean the date issued and perhaps a few words about the subject.

Hope you enjoyed the history lesson, and I hope this helps a little with your collection.






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