1c 1851 Plate 1-Late Stamps

dudley is definitely correct about the peculiar relief arrangement on Pl 1L. It can definitely confuse someone who isn't familiar with that subtlety.

I guess that Nienken was wrong in his book then. He clearly stated that they were A relief on page 109.




And his recut chart also shows them as relief A on page 111.

Doporto has the note about the relief B for those two positions.
So what did I miss?

Yes, Neinken is incorrect on this point. There are only three A-relief positions, not five, in the bottom row of the right pane of Plate 1 Late (98-100R1L). Neinken is a little fast and loose with his own claims as well--notice that the diagrams on pages 141 and 142 show all bottom-row right-pane Plate 1 Late positions except 100R as Relief B, despite the chart on page 111. The bottom line (no pun intended) is that 91-100L1L and 91-97R1L are Relief B, while 98-100R1L are Relief A. So the Siegel block that precipitated this discussion, with all positions Reief B, is in fact 85-86, 95-96R1L.

Thanks.

I made the changes.
That is what I get for staying up too late.

Time to move on to plate 2 anyway. Maybe I will make a guide dot chart as I fill in data and images.

I got another good buy for under $20.
I think this one plates at 95R1L.
With all the space under it, it had to be a bottom row stamp.

Here is one I have been looking at for a few days. Relief B with Relief A above. Cut too short to see guide dot. So only clue is the recut at top. I think I found a good match with 41R1L (44R1L is close too), but not much to work with. The stamp to the right is close and I do not see any marks on the left to indicate a stamp there and the spacing is a lot more than the right. The 41R1L before the crack as I see no indication of it. Anyone else think this is a margin copy at left?

I picked up a nice 2L1L today.
Decent shape.



And this pair I plated as 69-70R1L.
The single guide dot is distinctive.



And this single I plated at 57L1L. Relief A, double transfer.

Here is a tough one. Type IV, Relief A.
I always have a hard time telling where the recut ends. This one appears to have a long bottom recut like shown on 33R1L.
There is a lot of blurring or doubling on the left side or a heavy inking. What do you guys think?

I think it's 77R1L, which shows doubling at the upper left and also the vertical marks in the right margin. Also happens to be one of the two [positions I need to complete Plate 1 Late!

Dudley, you may be right. Looking closer at the bottom recut line, it looks like a postmark dot made it look like a longer line to me. The bottom left looks more doubled than the top. There are a lot of dark lines. Here is an enlargement..

Here is one I got today.
It was marked #7 but I think it is a #9.
Looking at it, it is a bottom row - relief A with a stamp at the right.
That narrows it down to 96-99R1E or 98-99R1L.
I think it is a 99R1L.
What do you guys think?

From the photo it looks like there is a blurry area under the N of ONE (including the foot of the letter), which supports 99R1L.

He is a very nice strip of 3 that I bought yesterday. I cannot wait to get it in and get a good look at it. It appears to be 98-100L1L. The picture is not a good resolution. I will post a better picture when I get it in.

Here is an interesting pair of type IV.
This pair led me to the misplate I mentioned earlier.
I plate these two as 49-50L1L. It must be an early printing as the 50L1L does not show the plate crack at the top left. There are no other marks on the 50L1L to plate it other than being attached to 49L1L. I am pretty sure of that one though. It has a nice double transfer at the lower left. There is a plating mark at the upper right that is shown on Neinken's drawing but not indicated.



I also ran across this other end row stamp that I plated as 40L1L, the position above the right one of the pair.

I recall years ago, when I was plating with just the Neinken book, that somewhere in the 20,30,40,50L1L area I had some issues. It was one or two of those positions, I had some closely cut singles, and found several of those positions somewhat hard to plate at the time.